Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel Hofsheet

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Eli Avidar with the option to merge viable content. There is some support for creating an article about minor Israeli parties, to which this could be merged, but the option wasn't discussed enough to reach consensus. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:22, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Israel Hofsheet

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Article doesn't have standalone notability, it exists because of its connection to Eli Avidar, which seems to go against WP:ORG. There also seems to be a reasonable consensus on the Talk Page that this discussion should take place Totalstgamer (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics, and Israel. Shellwood (talk) 17:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I vote to delete it or redirect it to Eli Avidar, which I did first. This is a one man party, newly formed, that probably won't pass the electoral threshold and might not even run in the election. There is no Hebrew Wikipedia page. There is an NGO, with the same name, that existed from 2009 that has a Hebrew Wikipedia page ישראל חופשית, which is not related is that is complaining against the part for using its name. The problem with redirecting to Avidar is that the NGO is more significant than this temporary one man party. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 19:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Handmeanotherbagofthemchips (talk) 15:42, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a political party with ample sources. It is used in the opinion polls summary. Sure, organizations tend to have a leader and a party that participates in national elections must have someone placed at #1, but that does not mean that it equals the leader. gidonb (talk) 01:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)'[reply]

The issue is not that there's a primary politician who's the most important, it's that this party has no other notable members or aspects for its existence excluding a minor naming dispute. There's other examples of recent, one-man parties that got deleted, such as the New Economic Party, The Israelis (political party), and Tnufa. Parties like Gesher (2019 political party) are allowed, but that's because they won seats in an election and participated in a government, thus having notability beyond just being founded by orly levy. It might warrant an article later but it's too early in my opinion. Totalstgamer (talk) 10:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are repeating the same, very wrong and misleading frame here: thus having notability beyond just being founded by orly levy. These aren't the options. Anyone will be able to look through that misleading frame. Regarding your WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, I have undone the redirecting of the New Economic Party without any discussion. The Israelis (political party) and Tnufa do not need an article as the party never ran, it's a bad comparison. Gesher (2019 political party) does have an article, as do MANY other small parties. gidonb (talk) 11:00, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the Israelis and Tnufa have no notability, but they're mentioned in reliable sources from the time, Although that coverage wasn't sustained (in a similar way to how This party has yet to accure sustained coverage). The redirection of the New Economic Party should be redone, we'll have that dispute later. The point wasn't that other stuff exists, but rather that there's other examples where this exact logic has been applied. Free Israel has no notable elements, as of now, besides being founded by Eli Avidar. It hasn't won seats in an election, neither has it even announced that it would run yet. It hasn't had a sustained existence, it hasnt won a substantial extraparliamentary share of the vote, so on so fouth. The reference i made to ORG was for the section "no inherited notability". "An organization is not notable merely because a notable person or event was associated with it... The organization or corporation itself must have been discussed in reliable independent sources for it to be considered notable.". As of now, the organization is mentioned in reliable sources, but almost exclusively within the context of either Eli Avidar or a naming dispute the party had with another organization. Totalstgamer (talk) 11:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Let's try this one more time
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect is the obvious choice, לילך5 made the right call. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 05:10, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - All those issues are notable events. Even if it will be short lived it is notable. It could be renamed Israel Hofsheet (Political Party).--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 15:29, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The issue isn't notability but rather standalone notability. The party as of now is not notable on its own, but as a part of Eli Avidar's political career. The delete argument is that this content should be merged into that page.Totalstgamer (talk) 19:58, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you mean. I think it would be fine either way in that case, it's ok to have that information merged to a new section in Ali Avidar or keep it as a separate article. However I think it will be more organized as a separate article because the the "main" page is a biography, which would then be added into lists and categories of political parties. PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 22:20, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect after merge to Eli Avidar. It is WP:TOOSOON for this to warrant a standalone article. No representation, no WP:SUSTAINED coverage, and only formed this year. It may be notable in the future, but this isn't a WP:CRYSTALBALL. -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:36, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment There was a mention above about an NGO with the same name on the Hebrew wiki as a reason to do a simple redirect, but that isn't an issue here unless they have an article on this wiki. -Kj cheetham (talk) 23:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Bruxton (talk) 23:02, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep unless this new party drops from the ballot, by 15 Sept. at the latest. The party is polling above Ale Yarok. Now I agree that there are so many minor parties in Israel, for which there are so few things to say, that some cleaning up may be necessary. I suggest that "exclusionists" and "inclusionists" start a summary article, that we could call Israeli minor parties, and which would summarize all the info about the dozens of parties there are, but are worthy of a redirect only. The article could be easily be split along the "sectors" of Israeli society, if too long. Kahlores (talk) 14:13, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Support proposal to create a catch-all article for minor Israeli parties. Andre🚐 17:55, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a good idea, itd reduce the clutter for stub articles about one-off or perennial parties while still allowing us to discuss their more notable aspects Totalstgamer (talk) 18:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Eli Avidar. Also note, I'm expanding the section on his political career significantly and will have a subsection on Israel Hofsheet, which would serve as a good place for this article. If anything more notable happens, then we can go back and break it off into its own page. Gilded Snail (talk) 22:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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