Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Clark (ice hockey)

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The result was keep. No prejudice against a second AfD being opened in the near future, if the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#Notability_of_Roller_Hockey_International_players results in a relevant change to the guideline. ST47 (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Jason Clark (ice hockey)

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Subject fails WP:NHOCKEY. Played a combined total of 63 games in the AHL and DEL and at least 200 is needed to pass #2. He also has no preeminent honours to pass #3 or #4. Tay87 (talk) 10:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Tay87 (talk) 10:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. Tay87 (talk) 10:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Tay87 (talk) 10:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Tay87 (talk) 10:38, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

*Delete. Does not meet the requirements at WP:NHOCKEY.4meter4 (talk) 20:47, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Change to Keep per Djsasso.4meter4 (talk) 16:31, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep Played in the highest level of professional roller hockey so he meets WP:SPORTBASIC. -DJSasso (talk) 17:47, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• Withdraw Per above, I request the nomination be withdrawn. I honestly did not take roller hockey into account and I apologise for my ignorance towards it. Tay87 (talk) 15:39, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
• Comment You might want to reconsider your withdraw vote. For one thing you can't withdraw once another editor has also voted to delete the article. More importantly, there's no evidence he competed at the highest level as WP:NSPORT requires. The Roller Hockey World Cup, which started in 1936, is the internationally recognized world championship for roller hockey and there's no evidence that he ever played in it. Playing in the only pro league in North America does not mean he played at the highest level--especially when the average pay was $314 a week [1] for around 10 weeks and the players were predominantly minor league ice hockey players trying to stay in shape. Papaursa (talk) 03:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Papaursa: Oh. Well, that's a interesting one to say the least. DJSasso messaged me about Pro Roller Hockey and how players can be notable for more than one reason, or in this case other sports. And it's true, I never once put Roller Hockey into account when doing the nomination, so I certainly appreciated the heads-up he gave me regarding this. But now I just feel confused. Tay87 (talk) 07:55, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

I would point out the Roller Hockey World Cup is actually for a different sport. That is for Roller hockey (quad) and not Roller in-line hockey which he played. -DJSasso (talk) 10:38, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Did he ever compete at the IIHF Inline Hockey World Championship? I believe that is the same sport and if he competed there I would agree he meets WP:NSPORT and will readily change my vote. Papaursa (talk) 22:37, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

• Delete Based on my comment above, there's no evidence he ever played at the roller hockey world championships so WP:NSPORT is not met. In addition, he fails to meet WP:NHOCKEY and there's no significant independent coverage to support a claim that WP:GNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 03:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

• WP:SPORTBASIC defines the highest level of the sport also as the highest professional league. Which Roller Hockey International was and which he played in, and which received a lot of press as well as primetime sports coverage while it existed. -DJSasso (talk) 10:34, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

So you're claiming that everyone who played in a short-lived, now defunct, roller hockey league is automatically notable? Do you have any evidence this was the highest level of pro roller hockey in the world? I can see high school football players on primetime TV but that doesn't make them all notable. And they're pro in the sense of making money, not in earning a living. Some organizations/sports differentiate. Papaursa (talk) 22:37, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep per Djsasso. Rlendog (talk) 14:16, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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