Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyla Carter

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The result was delete. The vast majority of Keep comments were from socks. Ad Orientem (talk) 02:27, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Kyla Carter

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I think this is just WP:TOOSOON, she's had a few episode voice roles but there is no actual coverage, and the same goes for the Broadway tours, which say nothing more than x did y. I also think that we should give a bit more weight to BLPs of minors like this when there is just a dearth of real coverage. Praxidicae (talk) 14:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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• Keep per the WP:RSs in the article which show that she meets WP:GNG. Also an award winner. Not WP:TOOSOON. Wm335td (talk) 18:55, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

being an award winner on its own doesn’t equate to notability. Only if they are notable awards. Which RS would you be referring to?Praxidicae (talk) 12:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• Weak Keep as per these sources in the article:

They're by no means great however I would consider the reviews to be okay,

Admittedly I've not found any better sources elsewhere however I would consider those above to be satisfactory,

IMHO by a bare minimum she meets GNG and judging by the important roles she's had in TV series'(her IMDB) I would say she also meets NACTOR. –Dave | Davey2010^Talk 13:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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Just a note that BroadwayWorld is far from a reliable source and they barely mention here even so. Also Patch is a super local outlet - most neighborhoods have them. They aren't the type of widespread coverage/readership we require and I am very, very opposed to keeping a BLP on a 13 year old based on very, very flimsy sourcing. Praxidicae (talk) 13:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Ah okay I wasn't aware of that, I personally would consider those above to be okay (IMHO the sources in the article should be all be removed including the non-review Broadway ones), As for Patch - I would consider local sources to be okay - It's not uncommon for local ones to be included in bLP articles.

(edit conflict) I would hardly call the reviews above "flimsy" ....they're not great granted but they're not flimsy either. Thanks, –Dave | Davey2010^Talk 13:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not arguing that local sources can't be used, but they do not establish notability. Local sources don't have the readership to establish notability but more importantly, they often don't have the editorial oversight that I would say is necessary (in some cases.) As far as the Patch in particular, I would say that goes even more for them as it's hyperlocal. This discussion is pretty relevant for what I'm referring to. It's basically like if NextDoor published local news. This particular patch piece is written by a *neighbor* which is essentially someone who just signed up and wrote it. Praxidicae (talk) 13:28, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Also this source doesn't even mention a single character she played, so it's as much about her as it is the sound tech. This is just the same as one of the newsday sources, copied to the venue's blog and this is just a press release Praxidicae (talk) 13:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Well as I said I consider the sources to be satisfactory and fine for this article, Thanks. –Dave | Davey2010^Talk 14:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• Delete - the article was created by "Kyladcarter" so obvious WP:COI issues - to say she "starred" in The Sound of Music and White Christmas is a stretch as she had only supporting roles - while the productions may have received coverage, it doesn't appear that Kyla Carter did - WP:NACTOR requires significant roles in multiple notable productions; while Carter has had a number of roles none of them are particularly significant and the productions, TV shows, etc, not particularly notable - Epinoia (talk) 20:47, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:RSs the article shows that she meets WP:GNG. She was billed as a principal actor (not supporting) in both Broadway shows, and was interviewed by Fox News, as well as coverage in many Broadway World reviews, specific to her performance.

  She also has principal roles in TV series'(her IMDB) I would say she also meets WP:NACTOR. Onward05 (talk) 01:57, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

  Also this article was not created by "Kyladcarter" as per the "talk page" it has been stated that the user that did create the page used her name as a "username" not understanding what it could possibly imply. If fact, as stated, he/she is not even in the same country as "Kyladcarter" Therefore, there is no WP:COI issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onward05 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  — Amakuru (talk) 11:12, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Keep - She seems to meet WP:NACTOR due mainly to her stage work. In addition, while I understand the concern that there was no significant coverage from any one source that is unanimously considered reputable, there seems to be plenty of coverage from middle of the road sources that deal with the musical theater world to establish her as a notable stage actor. I agree that her award should not count towards notability, as she won the award for "Best Child Actor" at the Long Island 'Encore' Theater Award, since it's a non-notable, local award founded in 2013. PraiseVivec (talk) 13:22, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll ask again, based on what sources? Praxidicae (talk) 13:30, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Her many reviews as a principal actress in professional Broadway shows (including Gypsy), as well as a television interview for Fox News. Also, her voice work is significat and notable. This is not an actress with two sentences on an animated television series. This is an actress that Dreamworks wrote an original song for in Season 4 of "Trolls: The Beat Goes On" and has appeared as a recurring and significant character for 7 seasons and counting. Again, imho she she seems to meet WP:NACTOR

These references are a few of many.

<ref>http://www.fox35orlando.com/good-day/379413324-video?fbclid=IwAR3hXgCB16ggRhWzFJmkSghtAtSgE9uMzJ6JOQ1S7GqbJnteCt6IBDPVvQc/ref>

<ref>https://www.broadwayworld.com/nashville/article/BWW-Review-IRVING-BERLINS-WHITE-CHRISTMAS-Brings-Musical-Theater-Joy-to-the-Holiday-Season-20181114?fbclid=IwAR2ekCv8L7KwqUO0Ej_Ta5ITyMHbygp5yquV2La6k0zwTVDFz1b1oSYAKek/ref>

<ref>http://www.williamsonherald.com/features/entertainment/franklin-man-co-stars-in-tpac-s-holiday-hit-white/article_b6ef6856-e89a-11e8-916b-fbf2c0d148af.html?fbclid=IwAR3Nfeo5hkkB-OQeWzlv7GKmKP4snwqwS28ykx6hjNHkacKXL3uWFOgCacM/ref> Onward05 (talk) 15:26, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

While the later two of those do speak about her by name and accolade her because of her performance, they are not in depth treatments of her as an actor. You also claim she had an original song written for her to perform; do you have a reliable source for that claim? Or is it, like the rest of your claims, as verifiable as string theory? Rockphed (talk) 18:15, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

• Delete I think we could go around in circles argueing about the same six sources, or we could just delete the page and not bat an eye when it gets remade in 6 years about a 20 year old actress who just got cast as Maria in the revival of The Sound of Music on Broadway. Until then, lets try to keep the rumor mongering and unfounded claims off wikipedia. Rockphed (talk) 18:15, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep Like I said, as have others on this thread, there are plenty of resources listed in the article that are legit, including a tv interview for Fox News that mentions her as one of the stars in White Christmas and notable as per wikipedia criteria. Her Dreamworks and Nickelodeon jobs also meet the needs of WP:NACTOR and are considered satisfactory. I don't appreciate the attack. I am not rumor mongering and I have not listed unfounded claims. "Season 4, Episode 5 Smidgician / DJ's Got Talent" credits the actress whose character is clearly singing the song. <ref>https://www12.watchcartoonsonline.eu/watch/trolls-the-beat-goes-on-s04e05-smidgician-djs-got-talent/?fbclid=IwAR1NPIbXjiVbbRJWSDQwtXrpQjqLl9gBRSOQd06I2ligLRHeRx5tEFIuuMg/ref> We can keep the page and as you stated, when she becomes Maria in six years in a revival of Sound of Music, the wikipedia article can be updated. Onward05 (talk) 21:15, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't think "watch cartoons online" is a reliable source, no matter how you cut it. I don't think referencing things to title text in videos is good practice (referencing a fact to a documentary's voiceover is even iffy). I've already looked at your 3 best sources and found them lacking. Also, I struck your keep here because you had already thrown out a keep above. Rockphed (talk) 11:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

The actress sang the song that was written by Dreamworks for her character CJ Suki in the show "Trolls, The Beat Goes On." You stated that I was rumor mongering. I am not. You continue to engage in behavior which is unacceptable for Wikipedia and causing disruption. Try to offer critial anaylsis and advice. Attacking other users and their work without warrent or cause is inappropriate behavior. Do your own research and stop asking others to do it for you. The information is out there, cited in the article and you seem to want to turn a blind eye toward it. I have looked at the 25 sources, in detail and as I have already stated, as others did as well, and I consider the sources to be satisfactory including the local ones considering it was equity work, not community theater. And don't edit what I write. It is unethical. The discussion was relisted. Please be non-bias and keep it to facts, not your opinions please. Onward05 (talk) 15:32, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep There are tons of sources available to prove the legitimacy of this article. 24 are listed in the article itself and are all valid sources under the WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR.

When time is taken to look at the provided sources you will find in fact she is notable under WP:GNG

Jane776 (talk) 21:45, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, it looks like somebody added a few more sources since I last looked at this. Jane776, which 3 do you think best establish WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG.Rockphed (talk) 11:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

The sources are satisfactory. WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG are met. Onward05 (talk) 15:38, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep Professional stage work, principal roles and recurring voice over work for major networks meets WP:NACTOR. Sources cited also seem to meet the criteria for WP:GNG. TheMirrorOfErised1 (talk) 16:34, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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• Keep The sources provided are perfectly fine for this article and complies with the WP:NACTOR. The sources that are cited also meet the criteria of WP:GNG.

She is listed on her IMDB as the character of CJ suki for Trolls: The Beat Goes On and this is also listed on the official Trolls: The Beat Goes On IMDB page aswell.

She is also featured in an interview with fox news for the Broadway show White Christmas that she starred in. I say that there is enough on her to keep this article. Matrix107 (talk) 18:41, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. Meets the criteria at WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Needs expansion, not deletion.4meter4 (talk) 01:27, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

• Care to elucidate which sources support meeting GNG? I think this is trending toward keep (even after the rampant socking gets removed), so at this point I mostly want to know what I missed about the sources. Rockphed (talk) 02:39, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'm relisting this after a "keep" closure because most "keep" opinions in the second part of the discussions are by now-blocked socks. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kyladcarter/Archive.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:53, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• Delete – I went through the sources in the article and posted an assessment at Talk:Kyla Carter#Source assessment. There are a lot of mentions in passing, but none that provide any significant coverage of the subject, and most of the sources are not reliable. This falls far short of what we would expect for a biography of a 13-year-old kid. – bradv🍁 21:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
• Weak Delete per Bradv. Only 'weak' as I don't find his argument compelling, only convincing enough to delete. Thanks, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 16:06, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
• Comment creator has now been blocked for abusively using multiple accounts. See User:Kyladcarter. Thanks, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 16:08, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

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