Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 41

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The result was no consensus. When you have editors both arguing to Keep and Delete with the same rationale (i.e. WP:SPORTSEVENT) it is clear that the relevance of this type of event to the guideline needs to be re-assessed Black Kite (talk) 11:01, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

UFC 41

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This event fails WP:NOT, WP:EVENT, WP:SPORTSEVENT, and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER as there is no indication that the event has any enduring notability and lasting significance. Portillo (talk) 09:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 May 31. Snotbot  t • c »  10:33, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Mtking ^(edits) 12:33, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

• Keep Per WP:SPORTSEVENT, this event determined the champion of a top league so it satisfies the notability guideline. Additionally, this appears to be a WP:POINT nomination. BearMan998 (talk) 14:58, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
• Speedy keep what looks like all 28 nominations, which appear disruptive to ongoing RFC on the topic. Sufficient coverage in Yahoo and other sources. Insufficient discussion or consensus on mass deletions. Merge to proper year "in UFC events" is possible. Guidelines mentioned by nom do not serve as deletion arguments when other keep arguments exist (based on both GNG and consensus to either keep or merge demonstrated at 5 years of similar debates). This boilerplate summary represents several much deeper issues that such a misguided nom doesn't address. Not watching. JJB 18:03, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
• Keep - I think that Wikipedia is better with articles of this sort than without them, the UFC series being the most widely publicized benchmark for MMA. Combining these into collections of events taking place in each year would be fine; whether that would be preferable, I can't say. Wiping these admittedly imperfect articles out en masse isn't the answer to anything, however, and WP would be a worse entity if that were to occur. If the closing administrator needs a policy-based rationale, file this under our time-tested main policy of Ignore All Rules — don't let rules get in the way of improvement of the encyclopedia, use common sense. This will be cut-and-pasted as appropriate due to the cut-and-paste nominations here. Carrite (talk) 02:19, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep This is an obvious WP:POINTy nomination. Portillo actually disagrees with deleting these articles. He's only doing it out of frustration to make a point. Gamezero05 00:38, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
• Delete The sources I have found that are in RS are just routine primary news reports, I was unable to locate secondary sources that covered the event in significant detail (only xyz fought in UFC 41 type mentions) so fails both WP:GNG and WP:NOT, the motives of the nominator do not detract from the fact the event does not meet our inclusion criteria. As for the claim that UFC is firstly a league and secondly a top one in with the same sort of significance as the examples listed in WP:SPORTSEVENT is not backed up by any evidence. Mtking ^(edits) 01:39, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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