I am applying purposes 1 and 5 in my request for deletion review. Note, I did have a discussion with the closer here. I believe Sandstein misinterpreted the consensus of the AFD, given one of his reasons was opinions were roughly divided. As we all know, we do not do a head-count but rather make a decision based on the strength of the arguments brought forth. Editors E.M.Gregory, Icewhiz, Greenborg, and Coretheapple, for example based their rationale on a recent "expansion" by Gregory as well as the existence of continued coverage and impact. However, Pincrete, Drmies, and myself found Gregory tainted the discussion by misrepresenting the sources and exaggerating the extent of the coverage which was mostly passing mentions beyond the initial news wave.[1][2][3][4] (more at Talk:2014 Dijon attack). Some editors either blissfully or willingly were unaware of these gross inaccuracies and voted keep. Regardless, the in-depth analysis by Pincrete and Drmies nullifies these arguments. That is where I believe Sandstein misinterpreted the consensus; he still gave weight to these !votes when clearly those editors' judgments were lacking in this case. One can hope he also simply ignored these "!votes". [5][6] I asked Sandstein to either relist the discussion so new editors, aware of the misinterpreted sources, could !vote or delete the article based on the arguments for deletion. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:52, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Overturn to Keep While Sandstein's close was certainly diplomatic and not objectively unreasonable, the delete arguments were completely beside the point: an article on an incident doesn't have to result in a death, nor meet NCRIME, if the GNG is met, which it clearly is. NTEMP is likewise used inappropriately by those arguing for the article's deletion. The argument over what is or isn't terrorism is a content dispute, and not a valid reason for an AfD in the first place. Jclemens (talk) 02:30, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Jclemens you are joking right? One editor based their deletion rationale solely on whether this was terrorism or not while keep voters based their votes on one editor's misrepresentation of sources and the extent of coverage.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:01, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I reread the discussion, I reread a few of the sources, and I am convinced that nothing about the content dispute rises to the level of supporting an AfD. Even if the sources don't say what they keep !voters say they do, there is still multiple, independent, RS coverage (enduring in time, if it matters--which I do not believe it does) which means that the GNG is met. Jclemens (talk) 03:46, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I retract this review - I had hope DR would be more objective but I did not foresee this is just a rehashing of AfD and isn't worth the trouble. Sandstein I apologize for wasting your time; it certainly will not happen again, at least not at this venue. I do not believe I can close it but anyone else can with any argument from me. Thank you.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:29, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse opinion in the AfD was pretty evenly split on the question of whether we should have an article on this or not and I don't see any particular reason for the closer to prefer one side or the other. This is about more than just whether the topic meets the GNG, as a major argument for deletion was WP:NOTNEWS and whether the topic has has enough lasting coverage to get over that issue. As Sandstein said this is a rather subjective judgement. Hut 8.514:40, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse We ask closing editors to make reasoned judgments, then we accept them because that is how judicial systems work. Empowering Noms who DONOTLIKE a particular decision to ask to have it overturned is damaging to the project.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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