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October 8

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 8, 2017.

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Outline of obstetrics. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 23:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect does not redirect to a list but a "See also" section with one link. I can't really find another place to redirect this title. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 23:31, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Trans b

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 04:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing to suggest that, of all Transactions, that the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B are to be preferred, over say, Metallurgical and Materials Transactions B. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:24, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Moçidade Portugueŝa

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 10:10, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unlikely spelling error. The 'ç' would be debatable, though I would also nominate because I think we should not preemptively create just about any remotely plausible error. But the 'ŝ' is almost impossible to be used by anyone trying to write in Portuguese because there is no such letter in the language's script. Zero hits goes to show how unlikely it is. Nabla (talk) 23:00, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Champion: it looks like you've got it backwards. The redirect has diacritics but the target does not. The nominator is claiming these diacritics are incorrect, did you find some usage of this term with these diacritics? -- Tavix (talk) 04:39, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Tavix: Apologies, I have just withdrawn my !vote. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. In such cases it's possible that the odd diacritics might be representative of an older spelling, but here (although I don't know Portuguese) I'm finding it hard to imagine how any of the two diacritics could have ended up where they are. – Uanfala 09:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Malcolm X tea

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 18#Malcolm X tea

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 18#Legal and not punishable crime

Evildoer

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Evil. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

These words are not exclusive to "crime". They could also be related to Villian or Antagonist. Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To me, "evil" is more of a religious or moral term and not a criminal justice term. What someone refers to as "evildoing", or committing a moral wrong is not necessarily committing a crime in the legal sense. So an "evildoer" is not necessarily a criminal, just as a "sinner" is not. Kalbbes (talk) 23:11, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Regular Criminal

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, G7, by PhilKnight. -- Tavix (talk) 15:24, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase "regular crime" is mentioned in Crime#Military jurisdictions and states of emergency, but the phrase is in no way identified anywhere in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 21:14, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Unjust crime

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 18#Unjust crime

Criminal-Reform

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 18#Criminal-Reform

Crimanal

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 04:35, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't seem like a likely misspelling of "Criminal". Steel1943 (talk) 21:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Dumb criminal

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:09, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The word "dumb" is nowhere in the target article. Readers looking this up may be trying to find a list of crimes possibly dumb or silly in nature. Steel1943 (talk) 21:04, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Gourd-like plant

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 13:26, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like unnecessary redundancy, given that all gourds are plants. Could this refer to gourd-like plants that are not gourds? Steel1943 (talk) 20:58, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are plants that look like gourds but aren't. An example is Datura. I hate this (sorry no NPOV here) gourd-like plant and it is growing like a weed in my front yard. Its fruit looks like a prickly gourd. That still makes this redirect pointless, though. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 23:44, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi Province

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The result of the discussion was delete. As an aside, a couple of these have been "fixed" by a double-redirect bot upwards of 15 times. I don't think I've ever seen that before. -- Tavix (talk) 04:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that normally we should be bothered about such a profusion of redirects, but on this topic, where nationalistic POV-pushing is rife, it becomes apparent that WP:COSTLY has higher relevance than elsewhere. To illustrate, in June 2015 the proper targets of these redirects East Azerbaijan Province and West Azerbaijan Province were moved to Old Kurdistan and West Azerbaijan is Kurdistan respectively [1] [2]. This got reverted in less than two hours, but that was enough time for all of its redirects to be picked up as double redirects and "fixed" by Xqbot. A few of them were subsequently corrected, while the ones I'm nominating (as well as quite a few more) weren't. Anyone following any of these redirects in the last two years would have been taken to the wrong article. Now, the relevant article has now received indefinite move protection, so this scenario isn't going to recur. However, with all these redirects being out there, and apparently so few of them being watched, they're potentially open to piecemeal POV-retargeting. In such an area it makes sense to only hold on to the redirects that are actually needed and relieve ourselves of the maintenance burden imposed by the ones whose only merit consists in being "harmless".

Specifically why are these redirects not needed? Ostan is the Persian for "province", so the first eight of these effectively mix up Persian and English renditions of the same word. Noting that the corresponding redirects without Province at the end do exist: Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi, Ostān-e Āz̄arbāyjān-e Gharbī etc. The remaining two redirects feature an awkward hyphen/dash in their middle and are redundant to West Azerbaijan, and are remnants of moves, having been the article's title for a few hours to a couple of days repsectively in 2010. – Uanfala 19:41, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Antlion Guard

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The result of the discussion was keep. Consensus shows that the article discusses Antlion Guards in section Creatures of Half-Life#Antlion. (non-admin closure) jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:53, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Overly vague and confusing redirect that may be confused with actual antlions, which are a real insect. Should be deleted to avoid confusion. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Antlions that serve as guards" I'm afraid [citation needed] applies for that one. As for "guards against antlions" we follow real world usage. If the insect repellent version is ever needed, you that's what Antlion guard (insect repellent) would be for. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:43, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Alien Controller

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The result of the discussion was delete without opposition. My first thought was the Animorphs series... -- Tavix (talk) 04:31, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Despite being the name of a Half Life enemy, this redirect is much too vague in terms of its name. It could refer to literally any alien that controls things. It's better to be deleted to avoid confusion. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 17:55, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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A Lady

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. I see that Rich Farmbrough has already done that. -- Tavix (talk) 04:07, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the current target is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "A Lady". For example, Jane Austen used the pen name "A Lady" for Sense and Sensibility. feminist 17:08, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. That is a strange redirect. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 23:46, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:ARABI

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 18#Template:ARABI

Locations in the United States with a name from the Channel Islands

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, G7, by SlimVirgin. -- Tavix (talk) 15:24, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Improbable redirect Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 08:13, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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List of characters in Bully

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The result of the discussion was delete. See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of characters in Bully, closed as "delete" in 2008 -- Tavix (talk) 04:03, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, according to the target's page history, the section this redirect refers to was removed for WP:GAMECRUFT. Recommend deleting this redirect for similar reasons. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:20, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Dog Eat Dog (video game)

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 04:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target article. Was this a working title? jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:15, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Game 3

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 04:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous redirect; any game can refer themselves as "Game 3." jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:13, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Arena League

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. This discussion suggests that the current target is the primary topic for the term. If anyone comes up with any evidence that this might not be the case, let me know and I'll reopen the discussion. The creation of a dab page, as proposed by Notecardforfree and feminist, is left to editor discretion: anyone is welcome to do that, I've confined myself to adding a brief hatnote at the target. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 00:11, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are now multiple sports organizations that carry the name "Arena League" in some form. Until this year, this league appeared to be the only case. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Amnesia: The Dark Swarm

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The result of the discussion was delete without opposition. -- Tavix (talk) 03:56, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in the target. Supposedly, this was a working title for Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs, according to a brief WP:BEFORE, but it's not mentioned in that article either. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Canadew

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The result of the discussion was soft redirect to Wikt:canadew. -- Tavix (talk) 03:49, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Term not mentioned in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 02:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • soft redirect to Wiktionary wikt:canadew, where readers will find out that it is "A melon that is a cross between a honeydew and a cantaloupe." I've not been able to find out enough to write any more than that dictionary definition. We don't have a list of melon cultivars or similar list that I can find, but we do have articles on many other types of melon so it is the sort of thing people will look up on Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 12:15, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 02:12, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Counterfactual outcome

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 18#Counterfactual outcome

Post-kinetic environment

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 17#Post-kinetic environment

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