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17 March 2012
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Both are from the same country [1][2].

They happen to edit the same things [3][4][5] and [6][7]

They both keep talking about Iranian or “Persian nationalism” in contrast of their “Turkic” point of view. [8][9]

One support the other's edits [10][11][12] and [13] and [14]

Edit war after first revision by another user, than reverted back here [15] by Maikolaser, which got reverted again, to which Tirgil34 reverted back to Maikolaser [16] and than Maikolaser resumes it [17][18]

Edit war here by Maikolaser [19][20][21][22][23], then edits by Tirgil34 to it [24] et seq.

Sock as IP? IP removed this [25] and was reverted (I'm not involved in this edit war, it was reverted by me as first random unexplained blanking), Tirgil34 made the same edit [26] after "rebuking" the IP on the talkpage [27]. And I have the suspicion that there are other accounts.

These two accounts also have a discussion at [28][29] and elsewhere and at one point this edit [30] in which Tirgil34 edits Maikolaser's post.-- Cold Season (talk) 02:58, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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Tirgil34 signs his edit as Maikolaser. Maikolaser agrees. Tirgil34 admits that Maikolaser is a sockpuppet used for editwarring (though what he admits is editwarring at Commons, I believe). Huon (talk) 09:53, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's clear to say that there are more than the two cases (those admitted after the fact, hard to hide at this point) where one engages the other supportive, without letting contributors know about these two account's connection. --Cold Season (talk) 13:40, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For example at Tocharian languages, Maikolaser agrees with Tirgil34 on the talk page, and then joins Tirgil34's war to delete the image, claiming "consensus".[31][32][33][34] Kanguole 14:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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05 April 2012
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User Tigril34 was blocked for abusing multiple accounts. The previous report is here. It turned out that his sockpuppet was Maikolaser. But probably he is still using sockpuppet. I think Xantana is new sockpuppet of Tigril34 because of his/her conribution. The first edit in enwiki happened after three days Tigril34 had been blocked. It was this. After that he deleted all the Maikolaser comments in Talk:Sogdiana. Why new user do this? Ten days later (Tigril34 is still blocked) he began paraphrasing a citation ([35] [36] [37]) in the article Göktürks. I reverted him two times but third revert was made by Tigril 34. Maybe he made that to ensure others that Xantana was not his sockpuppet. Also see this discussion from German Wikipedia. Bouron (talk) 21:15, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Closed Tirgil34. Xantana is my new account. --Tirgil34 (talk) 01:59, 6 April 2012 (CET)

It's clear that you avoided a two week ban [38] with another account, namely Xantana. Also, if you acknowledge that Xantana is your user account and want to close the old one (which is only after this report, dejavu to the previous report), than why did you still used both accounts? I have to wonder why you replied to yourself with another account too [39]. Is there also a reason why you attempted to change evidence that Maikolaser was a sockpuppet of Tirgil134 on the blocked account's userpage [40]? It's rather deceptive and not at all in good faith of improvement (or removing strike-out text [41]). Your new account still has the same habits of editting and edit warring (as shown in the report) on possible Turkic-related topics, even during your ban. --Cold Season (talk) 01:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At all I didn't used Xantana as a sockpuppet. And as you can see here, I stopped editing after my second revert and suggested to tackle the problem on talkpage. I am also not interested in Edit warring, even though I am right or not. My new account is a new beginning. --Xantana (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2012 (CET)
You do understand, in that using this new account, that you're effectively evading scrutiny for past actions, right? --MuZemike 01:30, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well yes, this is the point. Now the question: should I even close my new account Xantana? --Xantana (talk) 12:24, 7 April 2012 (CET)
However, I think, the best solution would be to close Xantana as well, because my new account is already draggled. Well-done Bouron! Now I have to create a new one! -- Xantana (talk) 15:36, 8 April 2012 (CET)
Creating a new account to avoid scrutiny is a violation of policy and may see your new account blocked as soon as it's identified. While a clean start is sometimes permissible, the relevant policy states: "Clean-start accounts should not return to old topic areas, editing patterns, or behavior previously identified as problematic, and should be careful not to do anything that looks like an attempt to evade scrutiny. A clean start is permitted only if there are no active bans, blocks, or sanctions in place against the old account." You have violated several of these rules with the Xantana account. Huon (talk) 14:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, Tirgil34/Xantana's new account is Xantana2 (talk · contribs), once again editing the same topic area. Huon (talk) 23:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The following accounts are  Confirmed as Tirgil34:

The user is clearly aware of WP:SCRUTINY by now, and I am also believing that, with Selga's creation and Maikolaser's edits, that this is going past evading scrutiny and crosses into straight-up sockpuppetry. As such, all socks have been indefintely blocked,  IP blocked, and Tirgil34 has been blocked for 1 month for sock puppetry. --MuZemike 19:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

26 May 2012
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One look at his user page should do the trick[42] Noticed in the previous SPI his obsession with "Iranian or “Persian nationalism” in contrast of their “Turkic” point of view" An IP mentioned on the talk page of Sitush that he thought this account was also a sock of Tirgil34 Darkness Shines (talk) 20:13, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I'm not sockpuppet of anyone. And it's the first time that I signed Wikipedia. If I was an older member, I wouldn't have been in an edit-warring, and neglected the three undo rule recently, which caused me to be blocked for 48 hours. I have only one account, and it's this one. Also I have never had a Wikipedia account before. So,I'm trying to learn Wiki and its rules as well as contributing to it. Admins can research all my IP records. Regards. BozokluAdam (talk) 20:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  •  Check declined by a checkuser. In order to facilitate and expedite your request, please provide diffs to support your case. Please give two or more diffs meeting the following format:
  1. At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
  2. At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
  3. In situations where it is not immediately obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this.

--(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 14:27, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]


30 May 2012
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User:Greczia appeared in Wikipedia in 28 May 2012. All of his edits are connected with Iranian or Turkic topics. His first edit was a reply to my comment in article Ossetians. Very strange for newcommer. After that he stated that he is user Xoloz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). But after looking through Xoloz's contribution I can say that they are different persons. Just compare with this userpage. It is clear for me that he just copied that and changed User:Tajik to User:Xoloz because Tajik's page says that he is an old account for Lysozym.

Greczia pushes pro-Turkic information in article Balkars. It is connected with Alans. Tirgil's POVs were connected with Scythians. Greczia pushes that Balkars(Turkic people) are Alans(Scythian people). Tirgil pushed that Scythian language was Turkic.

Also, like Tirgil34, Greczia is active in German Wikipedia. In dewiki he also pushes nationalist Turkic POV. Tirgil34 created/opened accounts in ruwiki, dewiki, enwiki and commons in 3 days. Greczia made the same in 2 days. ([43][44]) Also very unusual. Compare with Xolos's SUL.

Once Tirgil34 said that he wanted to clean start. Seems like he is back and he is trying to change his behavior. Greczia is very unusual name for Turkic nationalist. So he might thought that nobody would reveal him with Greek name. Bouron (talk) 13:38, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I can't say he wants to change his behavior. His IP 62.143.41.82 (based on [45], also knows German, and many other characteristics/behavior) returned to the Göktürks article to make a similar edit [46] (all intermediate edits too) few days ago as when he was proven to be sockpuppetting as Xanata [47] (all intermediate edits too) and Tirgil34 [48]. I'd suggest adding it to your report.--Cold Season (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Which behavior? I did't contravene against anything, if so, show me please. Anyway Bouron destroyed my new attemp to make a new start. Thank you very much Chauvinist Bouron: Instead of communicating you are making hatred with your nationalist Ossetian POV.
"Notice: Alan has nothing to do with the historical Iranian-speaking Alans. So please don't misinterpret me. Thanks." (As I wrote here). So now stop to spread rumors about me. Btw, I am still a German. --Greczia (talk) 19:52, 30 May 2012 (CEST)
This [edit] is clearly showing Bouron's hatred towards other Peoples self-designations. And here I am still waiting for his answer regarding this unjustified deletion. I am fed up with such a two-faced admin. --Greczia (talk) 23:14, 30 May 2012 (CEST)
Evading scrutiny by socking a similar edit through an IP (on an article which you socked before) as shown is one example, which is against a new start. This may be unrelated, but why are you claiming [49] on your userpage to be the admin User:Xoloz? It's not the place to discuss content disputes by the way. --Cold Season (talk) 21:57, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can translate it in a few sentences: As well as on enwiki I made no secret of my new identity. Otberg and Koenraad got to know to my new account (Greczia) and that's the reason why they wanted to close my account again. They mentioned some past incidents to strength their fake-report. In short: they did the same as Bouron did. The problem with the dewiki is that there are many admins who are abusing their administrative rights to solve their private problems. I've protested against this decision on dewiki per e-mail. I hope to resist against this harassment on dewiki as well as on enwiki. --Greczia (talk) 18:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Greczia Pardon my confusion. You said "new account". Are these accounts listed also your accounts? There are legit reasons for multiple accounts, I just want to fully understand your position here. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 18:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My first account was Tirgil34. I gave up this account because I have used a second account at the same time: Maikolaser. In short: bad start. Then I tried to make a new begin with Xantana, this account was closed, too. Reason: my new account Xantana was the successor of my first account Tirgil34. I got angry and opened a new account Xantana2. Again closed for the same stupid reason. I was fed up and since then I left wiki for a while to take a breath. And now Greczia is my next try to survive. --Greczia (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
...And you are or were Xoloz (talk · contribs)?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 20:14, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, no, this was my editorial mistake. As Bouron assessed we are two completely different persons. I've corrected it. --Greczia (talk) 21:10, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • While not conclusive, there are significant differences between Greczia and Xoloz in style. This doesn't explain why they put that on their user page, but normally I would not be able to connect the two by behavior alone. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 21:20, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here he/she is. I don't understand what else evidence do you need.--Bouron (talk) 18:40, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Bouron, again you do the same. By ignoring me you can't achieve anything. As I said before, instead of communicating you are making hatred. --Greczia (talk) 18:44, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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29 August 2012
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I am raising this on behalf of an IP who raised it on my talk page. I have also been concerned about some of these editors for a while. I note that Barayev is blocked by self-request but still believe a CU is needed. E4024 is aware of this SPI and is keen to be checked so he can be cleared. SPI Request from IP, from my talk page Doug, I rather not get involved in Wikipedia..So I am writing anonymous. But since I have an IP, can you run this sock-puppet investigation on my behalf?

Can you run these? Check his page.. "User Greczia by his own admission (see bottom of his page): [50] was the previous user Tirgil34 (who had run many socks) [51]

I believe all these accounts are related: (Greczia,Aryan212, Kurdale, Barayev, E4024 (possible ressurection of user with similar name E104421), Gabriel_Stijena)

[52] [53] [54][55] [56] [57] You can say all these account appeared recently. Furthermore, they all seem to support the same POV

Given that Greczia has used socks before (admits he is user Tirgil34 which has used socks before and also pushed fringe theories), the investigation is warranted. Accounts like Kurdale for example are definitly throw-aways..What is notable is that many of the same users keep saying "vandalism" while reverting to fringe sources.

1)Tat languages (Caucasus) Using the same Farrokh website are Greczia, Gabriel Stijena, and Barayev [58] Relavent diff links: [59][60] [61]

2)Article "Ethnicities in Iran" Putting the same fringe and non-RS map (see the talkpage) [62] (Kurdale) [63] (Gabriel Stijena) [64] (Barayev) [65] (Greczia)

3)Here: "Western Thrace" [66] (E4024, Gabriel_Stijena and Barayev which are all new accounts are r.v.'ing back to the same format). Barayev [67]. Gabriel Stijena [68]. E4024 [69]

4)Comment: These are all new accounts (with one account admitting that he was a previous sock master) and push the same POV. they also coordinate together on talkpages. So an investigation is warranted. Thanks.--96.255.251.165 (talk) 16:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

According to the recent ANI, Greczia has been banned in German wikipedia for pushing fringe and sock-puppetery. So with that and the throw-away such as Kurdale, there is definitely a precedence. --96.255.251.165 (talk) 18:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be enough to warrant an SPI. A check for sleepers might also be useful. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 12:29, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Another possible account of Tirgil34 is Aparhan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).--Bouron (talk) 09:13, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That guy is still around here using this ip: [70] to push the same fringe views. --96.255.251.165 (talk) 19:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also are the socks from Barayev/Gabriel Stijena (which was not banned yet) from the same location as the ip [71] here? Thank you--96.255.251.165 (talk) 19:54, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  •  Clerk endorsed - Greczia is known to be the same person as Tirgil34 and I don't see linkage on those two, as the archive will demonstrate. As for the other Wikis, not really a conideration here as they have their own methods that are not completely in line with our policies and methods. The other incidents that Dougweller has brought to light, however, are plenty interesting enough to warrant a closer look at the logs. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 14:07, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Confirmed: Gabriel Stijena (talk · contribs) and Barayev (talk · contribs)
  • E4024 (talk · contribs) is  Inconclusive with access to IPs from 4 countries, though I can't find evidence of proxies. One of the countries they edit from is in the same country as the above two users. Behavior will have to be the primary indicator.
  •  Confirmed socks of Tirgil34, for clear or unclear reasons, Red X Unrelated to the above:


05 September 2012
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Aparhan and Greczia are already confirmed socks and are blocked, i put them up so you fan see their edit history, in which they are adding the me photos to the same articles and engaging in the same edit wars as the two ip addresses. Tirgil34 was knoan for his pan turkic POV pushing on numerous articles, and all his socks show the same pro pan turkic POV pushing.

Tirgil34 adds claims that the kipchaks were blond and blue eyed and descended from the dingling

82.113.122.166 re adds the same claim to the article again as Tirgil34 did

All of them were obsessed with adding images of caucasian looking people to articles about central asian turkic peoples

89.204.136.52 adds picture of caucasian looking woman to the kazakh article

Greczia adds same photo

Aparhan adds the same photo


Aparhan adds photo to uyghur article (the photo was uploaded by him to commons as his own work, yet it contains metadata from photoshop and was taken from a website rather than a camera

82.113.122.166 re adds the same photo

and he does it again

I'm not done adding evidence, i just want to save the page right now, Mendsetting (talk) 19:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Both of the ips and Greczia edit war on the Tarkhan article and add the same POV which was deleted for using fringe sources, and nor just that, Greczia actually twisted the already fringe sources to make it say what he wanted, this was addressed on ANI

89.204.136.52 edit warring on Tarkhan

82.113.122.166 edit warring on Tarkhan

82.113.122.166 edit warring on Tarkhan again

Just take a look at the recent revision history of the Tarkhan article to see greczia edit warring, and 82.113.122.166 pops up after Greczia ia banned to push the same POV

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tarkhan&diff=prev&oldid=509540236 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mendsetting (talk • contribs) 19:27, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

At ANI 80.132.183.212 pretends to be a neutral third party while attacking Lysozym for reporting his sock ips on the Tarkhan article

We need semi protection on the Uyghur people article and all other articles edited by Tirgil34 and his socks.Mendsetting (talk) 19:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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Close per above. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 21:11, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

the user is actively using his ip addresses to evade an indefinite block. Do you care to explain why the case is being closed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mendsetting (talk • contribs) 22:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
11 December 2012
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These IP Users are pushing exactly the same content as Tirgil34 pushed to Balkars article. (Tirgil34's edit, 89.204.155.66 edit, 82.113.122.164 edit1, 82.113.122.164 edit2) Also I noticed some similarities:

  • The IPs and Tirgil34 use the same style of citing.
  • Both are from Germany.
  • Both edit the same topics and push the same ideas.
  • Both use edit warring to push their edits.
  • Also discussions with both lead to nothing.

I think admins should also semi-protect Karachays and Balkars articles. Bouron (talk) 00:59, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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11 December 2012
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Alpargon stated on his user page that he previously had used IP 62.143.40.193 .

I think this is enough evidence. I am sure I can show you more evidence, if you need. Bouron (talk) 22:12, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 Checkuser note: User:Alpargon confirmed, along with Rämil Kadyrov (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), Tripkeepers (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), and BaratK (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki). I am not seeing the connection to User:Riversides, but with more evidence perhaps I could be convinced.  Frank  |  talk  04:45, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


12 December 2012
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Alpargu declared on his userpage that User:Alpargu is alternative to Alpargon, who is known sock of Tirgil34 (see previous case). Bouron (talk) 12:17, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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06 January 2013
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Ashik article: [72] Here is an IP (that was confirmed as a sock of Tirgil34) making an edit that got reverted. [73] Here, User:Fulviian reverts the edit back to that IP sock.

Xiongnu article: [74] Here, User:Fulviian defends his former Tirgil34 socks on a very-much Tirgil34 battleground. Cold Season (talk) 00:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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25 June 2014
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Similar edit pattern to banned sock master Tirgil34. A Pan-Turkist user who uses multiple accounts to insert his nationalistic POVs. Source falsification and disruptive edits on several articles. Example diffs:

According to their edits, edit summaries, behaviors on talk pages, edit pattern (same Pan-Turkist povs), their removals and falsifications; those accounts are related. It's not easy to mention all diffs and targeted articles, because he uses many alternative accounts to escape from SPI and block. When one of his accounts becomes superstitious, he abandon that account for a short time, then he uses it again. Those tactics will help him to manage "spi evasion" and "block evasion", because he uses each account for a limited period of time. 199.68.218.102 (talk) 06:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Ps: Dear admins, IP:82.209.191.81 and IP:82.209.191.126 possibbly connected with User.Mehmett21. Please check this too. Comments in this page are very suspicious.Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 17:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Having already checked one suspicious account and found sleepers and socking, I'm endorsing a check on the others. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (Message me) 21:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Round 2  Technically indistinguishable,  Likely to round 1:
  • Round 3  Confirmed, Red X Unrelated to round 1 & 2:
  • Highly  Likely to round 1:
  •  Likely to round 1:
  •  Likely to round 3:
  • Round 5  Likely to each other,  Likely to round 1:
  •  Possible to each other Round 4,  Possible to round 3:
  •  Possible ArordineriiiUkhtt (talk · contribs) to round 3.
  • Red X Unrelated to anything above Yagmurlukorfez (talk · contribs)
  •  Additional information needed for the following users. I don't see any diffs presented and at this point, I've gone through so many diffs, I think i'm starting to see things that are not there. I would be happy to check these upon more evidence.
 Endorsed by a checkuser to check for additional socks I missed from non-IPv6 ranges in round 1 primarily. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 22:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found the following additional sock in round 1:
which is  Technically indistinguishable from:
However, I was unable to replicate the result of  Technically indistinguishable for:
which could instead be considered  Likely to the others in round 1.
On the other hand, I found that
was  Technically indistinguishable from:
PhilKnight (talk) 15:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • information Administrator note I've gone ahead and indeffed the socks from round 1 of checkuser, as well as a number of socks that I felt had both evidence of socking and evidence of disruption. I'm not familiar enough with this case to state that the remaining accounts are clear of socking, however. I shall leave that to another clerk/administrator, hopefully one who is more familiar with this case. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • With no action on this case, I've blocked all other likely and confirmed results. If unblock requests come up, admins are free to review and reverse the block without consultation. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 02:22, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
07 August 2014
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These IPS are likely used by Tirgil34, who just had a whole host of socks and sleeper accounts blocked. These IPs are currently reverting back to versions of Subartu and Sabir people that featured pseudohistory inserted by Tirgil34's sock Hirabutor (I have quite a bit at the Talk pages of each article showing the problems of Tirgil34's additions, which include falsification of sources). Besides the Turanist ideology, my suspicions are based on:

  • The 89.204... and 82... accounts have admitted to being Hirabutor, a blocked sock of Tirgil34. They also admit to trying to work around their blocking [97]
  • The 89... and 91... accounts both geolocate to Nordrhein-Westfalen, where some of Tirgil34's previous accounts have been located (see 5 September 2012 above)
  • The 89,,, IP claims that I'm the one who's a sockpuppet, a charge Tirgil34 leveled against me: IP [98] Tirgil34/Hirabutor [99]
  • The 71... IPs don't geolocate to Germany, so my suspicions are based on behavior. Besides the reverting/editwarring and refusal to discuss the matter in Talk, these accounts and the two others I've mentioned share the same use of WP:DGAF - not all that common a a reference - and they both appear to misunderstand it in the same way [100] [101]
  • The 71... accounts and Tirgil34 also make false claims of consensus for their version: IP [102] [103] Tirgil34 [104] [105] (User:Maikolaser is a Tirgil34 sock, see earlier cases)
  • Striking out the 71... accounts - those aren't Tirgil34, but are almost certainly IPs for the also indef-blocked User:Til_Eulenspiegel Ergative rlt (talk) 03:51, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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  • The IPs belong to German mobile providers and often change, so blocking now wouldn't help. A range block is too wide and has too much collateral damage to be considered. Given that there aren't any accounts involved, there's not much that can be done right now. Mike V • Talk 22:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
11 September 2014
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per WP:DUCK. All these accounts edited/focused on the same/similar articles and their additions are very similar to banned sock-master Tirgil34's. Also, all of them are created after the last block of other confirmed sockpuppets that are belong to Tirgil34. In addition, 89.204.../82.113...ip ranges belong to the same sock-master. And this ip also likely used by Tirgil34. The IP doesn't geolocate to Germany where Tirgil34's other ips geolocated but my suspicions are based on behavior. And also, I think this IP is from an ip-hider software and is using for socking purposes. 149.140.46.188 (talk) 14:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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28 December 2014
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Attacked Talk:Scythian languages like 2-3 years ago. Same rants and trolling. You can review sockmaster edits and his puppets on Scythian languages and Talk:Scythian languages. The section on talk page that he and his puppets roamed and current diffs: 1, 2, 3 103.41.63.11 (talk) 11:44, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 Clerk declined. Everything is stale. 103.41.63.11, diffs are needed of the the master or confirmed socks to compare to the listed account. Don't ask clerks to review everthing. It's your burden to provide evidence.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:38, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

29 December 2014
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Two editors restore banned sp's edits. Diffs:

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My goodness! You found a new victim for your personal edit wars. You forgot to tell them you are persistently falsifying sources at will. ----Kervani (talk) 12:24, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 Clerk note: 46.143.214.22, you state that a source was added by one of the master's blocked puppets. You are correct, and the diff you provide is correct. However, you are the one that removed the added source (with an edit summary of "clean"). Thus, to say that the restoration of the source by another editor proves that the this other editor is a puppet is hardly conclusive. In this instance it was restored by Yagmurlukorfez with the edit summary "Unexplained removing", which indeed it was by you. I haven't looked at your other examples because I expect a response from you first that this is not just a dispute between you and other editors who you are then accusing of being sock puppets. If I don't get a response, I will close this with no action. In the meantime, I have changed the case status to hold.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:47, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

16 February 2015
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At the article Wusun, Yagmurlukorfez is making the same changes as earlier made by now-blocked User:Radosfrester and User:Poikdiyma, known sockpuppets of Tirgil34. The edits are difficult to compare but they are all making the same point, namely, adding the disputed "Altaic language" to the article. Diffs: Yabmurlukorfez: [118] Radosfrester: [[119]]. Poikdiyma: [120] Recently edit warring at Wusun. Several IPs have also joined in but they change so quickly it's not worth investigating them. MelanieN (talk) 22:13, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]


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1 On Mleccha LazarozI restores[124] earlier edits by Agaceri.[125] This article has also been edited by Tirgil34 socks User:Kleropides[126] and User:Hirabutor[127].
2 On Kushan Empire LazarozI restores[128] edits by Agaceri.[129] The edit claims that "... the Hindus had kings residing in Kabul, who were said to be Turks of Tibetan origin", which is turanist fringe theory, and thus in line with the edits of other Tirgil34 socks.
3 On Huvishka LazarozI restores[130] edits by Agaceri.[131] The edit claims that Huvishka was a "Turki emperor", which is turanist fringe theory and thus also in line with the edits of other Tirgil34 socks.
4 On Indo-Scythians LazarozI restores[132] and edits made by Agaceri.[133]
5 On Kanishka LazarozI restores[134] edits made by Agaceri.[135]. The edit claims that Kanishka was a "Turko-Tatar emperor", which is turanist fringe theory and thus also in line with the edits of other Tirgil34 socks.
This user is significant as it indicated that Tirgil34 has been active well after his latest blocks in the summer of 2014.
I have to take a break from editing, but if given time i can provide further evidence regarding other potential socks tomorrow. Krakkos (talk) 23:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wrote my comment about this subject in another page and I'm copying here it too:

"I'm really getting sick of these nonsense actions. It's been a year since I joined wikipedia, I'm already investigated several times and nothing happened. Not sure is this some kind a tactic or stupidity of those troll IPs but ironicly, they still keep accusing me with being sockpuppet. I have no directly or indirectly relation with Tirgil34 or his sock accounts. I don't even know who is he. But here, even admins (such as MelanieN) keep opening investigation about me again and again. This negative attitude among some admins against me is harming their neutrality." Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 23:49, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply to BBB23: I did see the recent archived cases, and as you say, I noted that they were not really investigated, for lack of input from the complaining parties. But you say there was an actual checkuser run in June against the socks I mentioned above, and no technical connection was found? In June 2014 Radosfrester was stale (having been blocked in January 2014), but Poikdiyma was still active in June. So I guess in this case WP:DUCK is not enough. OK, thanks. Yagmurlokorfez, I owe you an apology. --MelanieN (talk) 00:19, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • User:Tirgil34 has no less than fifty banned socks and the last case in the summer of 2014 showed that he was engaged in sophisticated sockpuppetry using a complex variation of IP's. He is one of Wikipedia's most profilic sockpuppeteers and has done extensive damage to Wikipedia's coverage of Central Asian history, Turkic peoples, Indo-European studies and so on. The revision history of articles like Wusun and Andronovo culture show that following Tirgil34's recent block, a diverse number of IP's has continued restoring his additions. Even though it was not possible to prove User:Yagmurlukorfez as a puppet of Tirgil34 earlier, it should not be considered unlikely that Yagmurlukorfez could be hiding behind yet another of Tirgil34's IP's given the history of the latters puppetry.
From day one since joining Wikipedia, Yagmurlukorfez' editing activity has like that of Tirgil34 been primarily to promote turanist historiography (exaggerate the antiquity, historial extent and Turkic origins of various peoples and cultures), often through the user of fringe theories. Notable early examples include Yagurlukorfez early edits on Andronovo culture (also frequented by Tirgil34's socks User:Radosfrester, User:Muramidase, and User:Daru Dakitu) and Afanasevo culture (frequented by User:Radosfrester). I another early example he engages in an edit warring to insert a clearly disruptive cite tag on Celts.[136][137] He has been engaged in edit warring to promote his fringe, just like Tirgil34, for example making five reverts within one hour to readd discraced additions on Andronovo culture.[138][139][140][141][142] Yagmurlukorfez has been engaged in the restoration of Tirgil34's socks' edits on a number of articles:
1. On Andronovo culture he restored an edit by Tirgil34's sock Radosfrester[143] no less than four times.[144][145][146][147] The suspected Tirgil34 sock User:Kervani been making the same restoreation twice.[148][149]
2. On Issyk kurgan he restored an edit by Tirgil34's sock Radosfrester[150] twice,[151][152] even though the material was dismissed as fringe by the experienced editors User:Florian Blaschke and User:Ghirlandajo.
3. On Paleolithic Continuity Theory, regarding an edit of self-proclaimed OR by Tirgil34's sock User:Ragdeenorc,[153] Yagmurlukorfez steps in for[154][155][156] User:Ragdeenorc[157][158] in the ensuing edit war to ensure that Ragdeenorc's OR can be inserted again and again while avoiding the 3RR rule. Tirigl34's OR is eventually removed by the experienced user User:Dougweller. In a subsequent discussion began by Dougweller, and involving Paul Barlow, Yagmurlukorfez steps in for the now banned Ragdeenorc in defending these edits.
4. The article Wusun has been frequented by blocked Tirgil34 socks' User:Sirivsk, Radosfrester, User:Hirabutor, User:Poikdiyma and the suspected sock User:Mrliebeip. Lately i've been engaged in an effort to remove these edits (primarily made by Radosfrester[159] and Poikdiyma[160]), which also contain fringe theory and serious misrepresentation of sources (as discussed here), in accordance with CFD G5. Yagmurlukorfez has continiously restored these edits by Tirgil34. At the same time he has removed extensive info added my me while carelessly creating several reference errors. In one notably example, Yagmurlukorfez removes references to a large number of distinguished scholars and restores Tirgil34s disruptive additions, gaming the system through a fraudulent marking "POV views fixed" to push a content blanking without valid reason. This is clearly WP:Vandalism. IP's clearly related to Tirgil34 have simultanously entered ANI where i have been baselessly accused of Vandalism, Sockpuppetry and making obscene racist comments. The same IP has then recruited Yagmurlukorfez to join, and Yagmurlykorfez immediatedly appears to express support for the IP's allegations and also levels accuations of sockpuppetry agains me, without any evidence. Such a strategy is characteristic of Tirgil34, who with his sock Ragdeenorc last year managed to drive away the productive Florian Blaschke through a block. Yagmurlukorfez has engaged in similar attacks on other editors, accusing one user of being an "anti turkish-turkic etnocentirst indo-euoropean nationalist" and stated that another user needs "to go to mental institute". Tirgil34 and Yagmurlukorfez's joint involvment in such behaviours is both clearly ducky and personal attacks.
Even though Yagmurlokorfez has not yet been successfully confirmed as a sock of Tirgil34, the evidence is quite clear that he is involved in WP:Meat puppetry with Tirgil34. Already in May 2014, Yagurlukorfez' has a a conversation in Turkish with Hirabutor, a sock of Tirgil34, on the former's talk page. My translation indicates that they appear to agree on coordinating their edits privately, alternatively on the Turkish Wikipedia. Meanwhile Yagmurlukorfez asks on the talk page of User:Su4kin, yet another Tirgil34 sock, for help on Kyrgyz people, with the two later promoting each others views on the talk page. This is similar to the discussion mentioned above on Paleolithic Continuity Theory began by Dougweller, and involving User:Paul Barlow, where Yagmurlukorfez steps in for the now banned Ragdeenorc (Tirgil34 sock) in defending these edits. On the talk page of Subartu, Yagmurlukorfez steps in to defend the edits of Hirabutor, a Tirgil34 sock, who has been pushing fringe claims. Yagmurlukorfez has been engaged in cordial conversions at the talk pages of at least four of Tirgil34's socks: Radosfrester, Hirabutor, Su4kin and Ragdeenorc, where they have praised each others edits, awarded each other barnstars and so on. It is interesting to note that at the talk page of Radosfrester, where Radosfrester and Yagmurlukorfez praise each others for their edits, the section below consists of a very similar discussion Tirgil34 is having with himself through Radosfester and another sock User:Daru Dakitu. In July 2014, when these socks were exposed, Yagmurlukorfez blanked his talk page, possibly to hide evidence.
The examples mentioned above cover such a large number of WP:Signs of sock puppetry that it clearly qualifies as a WP:DUCK. While definitive confirmation of sockpuppetry might be impossible in this case, systematic WP:Meatpuppetry, addition of WP:Fringe, WP:NPOV, general WP:Disruptive editing, WP:Vandalism (invalid blanking) through gaming the system),[161] WP:NPA, WP:Edit warring, severe misrepresenation of sources (WP:Verifiability) and WP:Tendentious restoration of disruptive edits by a notorious sockspuppeteer in violation of CFD G5 must certainly warrant a block of some sort. Krakkos (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Krakkos If you or anyone can't prove that I'm a sockpuppet, (you're admitting it) this means further accusations are violation of personel attack rule. If you keep this behaviour, there will be consequences. You are just making busy of wikipedia's administration.Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 17:50, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That your edits are pretty much just to restore edits by Tirgil34 and his socks is a pretty good case of WP:DUCK. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:47, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not that its worth much but Yağmurlu Körfez is roughly translated as Rainy Bay in Turkish so theres a definite link between the name and the article, I'll see if I can pull a link between the other names. Amortias (T)(C) 20:54, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
About 20% of the blocked socks have a rough Turkish translation but its a tenuous link at best. Amortias (T)(C) 21:34, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added User:Mrliebeip as another possible sock of Tirgil34. His editing history is primarily composed of editing similar articles to Tirgil34 promoting turanist fringe theories. Evidence in favour of Mrliebeip as a Tirgil34 sock include:
1. On 22 December 2013, Mrliebeip restores[162] an edit on Sintashta that was made by the sockmaster User:Tirgil34 on 8 January 2012[163] and deleted by User:Kwamikagami on 9 January 2012.[164]
3. Making technical changes[165] to info added by Tirgil34's sock User:Etymologias[166] on the article Bey. The same article has also been frequented by another Tirgil34 sock, User:Hirabutor.[167]
4. Promoting turanist fringe theory on the artile Tarkhan,[168] which was also done extensively in a severe edit war with User:Lysozym by User:Greczia, another Tirgil34 sock, as can been seen from the article's revision history.
5. One of Mrliebeip's first edits was made to promote the Turkishness of the Wusun.[169] This edit is identical in purpose to edits made by suspected Tirgil34 sock User:Yagmurlukorfez,[170] and the blocked Tirgil34 socks User:Sirivsk,[171], User:Hirabutor,[172] User:Radosfrester[173] and User:Poikdiyma.[174]
5. Mrliebeip's marks several of his edits as "undoing source falsification",[175][176] which is identical to markings by blocked Tirgil34 socks User:Agaceri,[177][178] User:Hirabutor,[179] User:Aparhan,[180] User:Greczia.[181][182] and the suspected Tirgil34 sock Kervani (talk · contribs).[183][184]
Note: The significance of this possible sock is twofold. Considering the fact that Mrliebeip started editing in November 2013, it makes it seem likely that there are existing socks of Tirgil34 that avoided being detected during the extensive Checkuser made in the summer of 2014. In addition, Mrliebeip has also been making edits similar to the initial suspect Yagmurlukorfez, increasing suspicion against the latter. Krakkos (talk) 22:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
1. One of Kervani's first edits is made to deemphasize the identification of the Saka language as Iranian.[185] Similar edits were earlier made by the sockmaster himself at Scythian languages, where the the identification of Scythian was deemphasized and a Turkic affiliation was implied.[186]
2. On Andronovo culture Kervani has twice[187][188] restored an edit initially made by blocked Tirgil34 sock Radosfrester (talk · contribs).[189] The same edit has also been restored four times by the initial sock suspect Yagmurlukorfez (talk · contribs).[190][191][192][193]
3. Kervani marks several of his edits as "undoing source falsification",[194][195] which is identical to markings by blocked Tirgil34 socks Agaceri (talk · contribs),[196][197] Hirabutor (talk · contribs),[198] Aparhan (talk · contribs),[199] Greczia (talk · contribs),[200][201] and the suspected Tirgil34 sock Mrliebeip (talk · contribs).[202][203]
Note: Kervani is an interesting potential sock as he has been making edits after Tirgil34's most recent ban. The similarity between his edits and the edits of the two other suspects Yagmurlukorfez and Mrliebiep is also striking. Krakkos (talk) 00:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to Clerk: I need to take a short break from editing. I suppose the evidence already provided warrants a CheckUser, but i have discovered several other potential socks that i hope to add in a couple of days. Krakkos (talk) 00:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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 Clerk note: @MelanieN: With respect to Yagmurlukorfez, please look at the archives. There are a couple of cases that were opened against him that were not acted on because insufficient evidence was presented. That, of course, is not conclusive. However, a case was opened in June 2014 in which DeltaQuad reported a complex set of results and at the end found that Yagmurlukorfez unrelated to any of those sets (rounds). None of the rounds could compare Yagmurlukorfez's edits to the master because the master was already stale as I believe also were previously blocked puppets. So, although the 2014 CU doesn't mean absolutely that Yagmurlukorfez is not a puppet, it is significant evidence that they are not. I'd like to hear you commments. BTW, I haven't looked closely at the evidence you've presented yet, but you mentioned Radosfrester and Poikdiyma, and there was no technical connection between those accounts and Yagmurlukorfez. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Clerk endorsed. This is a limited endorsement for a CU of LazarozI and Kervani (against each other). Everything else is stale. As for the other named accounts, I'm not persuaded that a CU is warranted. Mrliebeip wouldn't even be possible as the account hasn't edited since March 2014, and I am not endorsing a CU for Yagmurlukorfez, despite the onslaught.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23: Can I just check something with you. Am checking for a link between Lazaroz and Kervani because you believe they're linked through the stale accounts or have I missed something? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:08, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Callanecc: Yes. Just to be clear(er), I think here's enough to tie them to the stale socks but you can't check them against those. Thus, if they really are related to the master, then they should also be related to each other.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:30, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, just wanted to check that one. The following are  Confirmed to each other and given Nart saga and Haplogroup R-M207 behaviourally linked to Tirgil34:
There are two other accounts, which are probably related but I'm not sure so we'll need to wait and see. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:05, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
All accounts indeffed and tagged. Closing and going to bed.--Bbb23 (talk) 06:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
20 February 2015
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Restoring material originally by other socks of Tirgil34]. It's either Tirgil34 or Yagmurlukorfez. Until the previous investigation is wrapped up, we'll go with Tirgil34. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:36, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I checked this one since the evidence is easy, and CU is not helpful to determine this account. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:20, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Callanecc: forgive me for being literal, but are you saying you believe it to be an obvious puppet based on the one edit? I note that the second diff by Ian is not the same as the edit by Selemera or even close, at least to this unknowledgeable eye.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No I meant that the evidence was easier to check then in the previous case. The technical evidence isn't conclusive, especially given that there is only one edit. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:45, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm declining to take any action based on the one edit and the diffs. The alleged puppet's edit is most similar to Yagmurlukorfez, and it's already been demonstrated that that account is not a sock. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
26 February 2015
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CU Stale Suspected sockpuppets
 Clerk note: There is strong possibility of sockpuppetry according to provided diffs. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
On a sidenote, Henephon7's earlier edits to Subartu[213] were actually restorations of material added by Til Eulenspiegel (talk · contribs),[214] who is also a banned sockmaster. Krakkos (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: There is strong possibility of sockpuppetry according to provided diffs. The account is almost  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, but nothing beyond that. No strong evidence of sockpuppetry. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, but nothing beyond that. No strong evidence of sockpuppetry. He was previously already accused in this case, but nothing was proven. The sccount is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify Hétmagyarom's earlier involvment in this investigation. He was accused by an IP on 11 September 2014. Since no diffs were provided, DeltaQuad (talk · contribs) dismissed the case without prejudice for refile. The only accused user in that case who has been subjected to a CheckUser since is Kervani (talk · contribs), who was found to be a confirmed sock of Tirgil34.
 Clerk note: No strong evidence of sockpuppetry. Made only two edits. The one Krakkos cites as evidence ([224][225]) is probably a coincidence (inserting the same image to the article). There is a strong possibility that this user and Слушкы are the same person, but their connection to the rest cannot be established because there are too few edits. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije: The image in question is based on a fringe theory, and was not present at any other article on Wikipedia at the time. It is unlikely that some other user would suddenly encounter this image and decide to insert it at WP. WP:OBSART. SmithEdozen also joined Wikipedia to post this image just a couple of days after a large number of Tirgil34 socks were blocked. WP:NEEDED The image SmithEdozen uploads is not only the same as Tirgil34 sock Ragdeenorc; it was also created and uploaded to Commons by Ragdeenorc.[226] In addition, SmithEdozen posts more than just a pic. The caption is also identical to Ragdeenorc. The purpose of the image and caption is to promote the validity of the fringe Paleolithic Continuity Theory, which has also been promoted on WP by Tirgil34 sock Hirabutor (talk · contribs)[227][228] and other socks. As you say, there is a strong possibility that SmithEdozen and Слушкы (talk · contribs) are the same person. Since Tirgil34 is a persistent sockpuppeteer and uploader of this material we should not be surprised if that person is Tirgil34. I find it hard to believe that the similarity of this user's edit with Tirgil34 is a mere coincidence. Krakkos (talk) 20:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Слушкы (talk · contribs) joined Wikipedia in December 2014, some months after the most recent discovery of Tirgil34 socks. He has only made one edit on Wikipedia, which is identical to that of SmithEdozen.[229]
 Clerk note: There is a strong possibility that this user and SmithEdozen are the same person, but their connection to the rest cannot be established because there are too few edits. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije: Please read my comment to your behavioural check on SmithEdozen (talk · contribs). Krakkos (talk) 20:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, but nothing beyond that. No strong evidence of sockpuppetry. He was previously already accused in this case, but nothing was proven. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify Gashgali's earlier involvment in this investigation. He was accused by an IP on 11 September 2014. Since no diffs were provided, DeltaQuad (talk · contribs) dismissed the case without prejudice for refile. The only accused user in that case who has been subjected to a CheckUser since is Kervani (talk · contribs), who was found to be a confirmed sock of Tirgil34.
 Clerk note: No evidence at all, just editing same articles. Too few edits to make any conclusion. He was previously already accused in this case, but nothing was proven. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify Mountaindwellerman's earlier involvment in this investigation. He was accused by an IP on 11 September 2014. Since no diffs were provided, DeltaQuad (talk · contribs) dismissed the case without prejudice for refile. The only accused user in that case who has been subjected to a CheckUser since is Kervani (talk · contribs), who was found to be a confirmed sock of Tirgil34.
  • WorldCreaterFighter (talk · contribs) has a similar editing behaviour to Tirgil34, editing warring and making problematic edits to articles related to Central Asia, genetics, race and so on. Like Mountaindwellerman, he has been making significant additions to Turanid race after July 2014 block of Tirgil34 socks.[234] He has also made significant edits concerning the origins and genetics of the Kyrgyz people,[235][236] similar to Tirgil34 socks Su4kin[237] Hirabutor[238] and Agaceri (talk · contribs).[239]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, but nothing beyond that. No strong evidence of sockpuppetry. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify WorldCreaterFighter's earlier involvment in this investigation. He was accused by an IP on 11 September 2014. Since no diffs were provided, DeltaQuad (talk · contribs) dismissed the case without prejudice for refile. The only accused user in that case who has been subjected to a CheckUser since is Kervani (talk · contribs), who was found to be a confirmed sock of Tirgil34.
  • Éredet (talk · contribs) joined Wikipedia in August 2014, some weeks after a major discovery and blocking of Tirgil34 socks. His edits are only related to the geographic distribution to the "Turanid race", which is similar to similar to both a large number of confirmed socks and suspected socks of Tirgil34. Krakkos (talk) 01:02, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: No evidence at all, just editing same articles. He was previously already accused in this case, but nothing was proven. Too few edits to make any conclusion. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify Éredet's earlier involvment in this investigation. He was accused by an IP on 11 September 2014. Since no diffs were provided, DeltaQuad (talk · contribs) dismissed the case without prejudice for refile. The only accused user in that case who has been subjected to a CheckUser since is Kervani (talk · contribs), who was found to be a confirmed sock of Tirgil34.
 Clerk note: One similar edits, but nothing beyond that. That edit was made several times by different users. He was previously already accused in this case, but nothing was proven. No strong evidence of sockpuppetry. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify Egaplaicesp's earlier involvment in this investigation. He was accused by an IP on 11 September 2014. Since no diffs were provided, DeltaQuad (talk · contribs) dismissed the case without prejudice for refile. The only accused user in that case who has been subjected to a CheckUser since is Kervani (talk · contribs), who was found to be a confirmed sock of Tirgil34.
 Clerk note: Just two edits, hard to make any conclusion. He was previously already accused in this case, but nothing was proven. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify Iraquirs' earlier involvment in this investigation. He was accused by an IP on 11 September 2014. Since no diffs were provided, DeltaQuad (talk · contribs) dismissed the case without prejudice for refile. The only accused user in that case who has been subjected to a CheckUser since is Kervani (talk · contribs), who was found to be a confirmed sock of Tirgil34.
 Clerk note: Not enough edits to make any conclusion. Two (minor) edits to an article frequented by Tirgil34 cannot prove anything. Sockpuppetry is not probable here. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: The account is indefinitely blocked for vandalism. Edits are totally different from Tirgil34's, so that sockpuppetry is improbable. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Somewhat similar edits, but nothing beyond that. No strong evidence of sockpuppetry. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mehmeett21 (talk · contribs) has a similar editing behaviour to Tirgil34, editing warring to promote Turkic nationalist views on Wikipedia. He seems to have a gig for adding Baklava Wikilove to Tirgil34's enemies,[253] similar to Tirgil34 sock Ragdeenorc (talk · contribs).[254] His first edit on Wikipedia was to imply that the Karasuk culture was Turkic.[255] Sockmaster Tirgil34's first edit on Wikipedia was also to imply that the Karasuk culture was Turkic (Altaic).[256]
 Clerk note: This user is interesting. He signs most of his posts as "Turkic_ Warrior" [257][258](that user name does not exist). Here he also signed as "Turkic_ Warrior" and revealed his IP. Here he calls another editor a "mongoloid", and treats other editors in an uncivil manner [259]. He did not edit any article edited by Tirgil34, but he does heavily promote Turkic point of view, actually that is all he does. He might be a sockpuppet, but I don't know whose. He was accused in this case twice before, but nothing was proven. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije: I agree. This user is interesting. On the other hand i now doubt that he is a Tirgil34 sock, even though he is making very similar edits. For example, the title of the post he signs as "Turkic_Warrior" is in Swedish. The IP's he is editing from, as shown from the revision history at List of Turkic dynasties and countries are also Swedish. I think we are dealing with a separate Swedish Turanist sockmaster, and Madyas (talk · contribs) could be his sock. Krakkos (talk) 20:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: This account is indefinitely blocked for disruptive editing. Some similar edits, but nothing conclusive. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Sockpuppetry is possible here (although not obvious as Krakkos claims). Based on this and this, I'd say that it is even probable. The account is very  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: This user made just three (identical) edits. Hard to prove anything. His point of view seams directly opposite than that of Tirgil34 (he argues that Bulgarians are not Turkic). Probably not connected to Tirgil34. The account is almost  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:45, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Based on the provided evidence, sockpuppetry is very probable. No need to block, as the account is very  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:45, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, same point of view, but nothing beyond that. Hard to prove anything. I don't understand how hi username indicates "that this is a sock". The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:50, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, similar point of view, but nothing conclusive. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, similar point of view, but nothing conclusive. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Akocsg (talk · contribs) has a similar editing behaviour to Tirgil34, promoting Turkic nationalist views on articles related Turkic peoples, Central Asia and so on. He has been blocked for sockpuppetry before.[306] Akocsg's most notaly contributions are to Tengrism, Huns, Xiongnu which have all been frequented by Tirgil34 socks. On 6 July 2014, at the article Kurgan, Akocsg restores[307] content added by Tirgil34 sock Ragdeenorc (talk · contribs).[308]
 Clerk note: Based on the provided doffs, sockpuppetry is probable. This user was already accused in the case WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Vgleer/Archive, but nothing was proven. His username is very similar to that of Akoscg who is confirmed sock of Vgleer. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, similar point of view, but nothing conclusive. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Some evidence exists, but is not conclusive. Sockpuppetry is possible, but is hard to prove. This user was already accused in this case, but nothing was proven (SU declared him "Possible" sock). The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije: As mentioned above ArordineriiiUkhtt was not accused in this earlier case. He was listed by DeltaQuad (talk · contribs) as a "Possible" sock due to technical similarities discovered by coincidence. ArordineriiiUkhtt is a classic example of WP:ACTING. Compare his user profile, which cointains only one infobox identifying him as a transexual, which the feminine cuteness of Tirgil34 sock Lamedumal (talk · contribs).[321] Judging by Tirgil34's persistant promotion of nationalist fringe theories on Wikipedia, i find it hard to believe that he is a female transexual. Some weeks ago, an open proxy connected to Tirgil34 actually accussed ArordineriiiUkhtt og being my sock. As illustrated above, ArordineriiUkhtt's first edit of note is to ask Florian Blaschke (talk · contribs) for advice on adding sources on Indo-European origins on the Wusun.[322] The issue of the origins of the Wusun is the reason i became involved with Tirgil34 in the first place, and he has reverted me many times, through socks Mrliebeip (talk · contribs)[323], Hirabutor (talk · contribs)[324] and open proxies accusing me of a "false flag operation".[325] It's also strange that he would address Florian about refs to this topic as the latter has never edited Wusun. I on the other and have often asked Florian about advice regarding Indo-European issues as he is educated in that subject. This might sound conspirational, but i suspect Tirgil34 has made a (poor) attempt at making a sock with similar edits to me which he can accuse of being mine. Tirgil34 made similar attempts before. In one incident for example Tirgil34 sock Radosfrester (talk · contribs) accused other users of themselves being socks of Tirgil34.[326] Krakkos (talk) 21:39, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Same interest, similar point of view, but no strong evidence. I won't say that Слушкы is an "obvious Tirgil34 sock" (as I explained above). This user was already accused in this case, and the CU declared him "Possible" sock. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, but nothing beyond that. No evidence of sockpuppetry. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits. Based on the provided diffs, sockuppetry is possible, but is hard to prove. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: This account is indefinitely blocked for disruptive editing (not the kind of behavior characteristic for Tirgil34). Sockpuppetry is improbable. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar topics edited, similar point of view, but that's it. No evidence of sockpuppetry. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sonerbcrc (talk · contribs) has a similar editing behaviour to Tirgil34, promoting Turkic nationalist views on articles related to Turkic peoples, Central Asia etc. After a year-long wikibreak, Sonerbcrc returned to Wikipedia on 26 June 2014, at the time when numerous socks later confirmed as Tirgil34's were filed at the SPU. At Hephthalite Empire Sonerbcrc misrepresents the sources to claim that the Hephtalites were Turkic.[329] At Turan he does the same promote Saladin as a Turk.[330] This typical Tirgil34 behaviour. Krakkos (talk) 13:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Some similar edits, but nothing conclusive. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Some similar edits, but nothing conclusive. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar views, but different behavior. Probably not Tirgil34. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, similar agenda, but nothing conclusive. May be connected to Gecary (see below). The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: This account is indefinitely blocked for vandalism and is  Stale. He is proven sockmaster (see: WP:Sockpuppet investigations/DragonTiger23/Archive). Behavior is different, probably not connected to Tirgil34. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: This may be connected to Dolatjan, but is hard to prove. Similar interest and similar edits, but nothing conclusive. I couldn't find any identical edits, and they edited only two common articles. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, and similar agenda. Nothing conclusive. He was mentioned in WP:Sockpuppet_investigations/Stubes99/Archive, but was not directly accused. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits, and similar agenda. Nothing conclusive. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Just one minor edit. Hard to make any conclusion. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: He is probably the same person as Unixe96 (compare [349] and [350]), but their edits do not overlap and are not disruptive, so there is no sock puppetry. Hard to connect to Tirgil34 because he made just two minor edits. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Currently blocked for edit-warring. He used sockpuppets previously (See: WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Uniquark9/Archive) and some of the accused accounts below may belong to him. It is hard to connect him to Tirgil34, as their views are somewhat different. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Toghuchar (talk · contribs) joined Wikipedia in on 16 June 2014, one day after a large number of later confirmed Tirgil34 socks were filed for an SPI. Like Uniquark9 he has been making similar extensive editing to the ethnic history of Central Asia. Like Tirgil34 he has been engaged in edit warring, for which he has been blocked.[356] Krakkos (talk) 17:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: May be connected to Uniquark9 (made this edit while Uniquark9 was blocked). Their interaction is very large [357]. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Some similar edits, but nothing conclusive. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: No evidence to connect him to Tirgil34, made too few edits. Probably the same person as Ertigher (below). The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Probably a sockpuppet of Wratharon. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Probably a sockpuppet of Wratharon (See: [364] and [365]). The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: May be connected to Uniquark9, but is hard to prove. Just two common articles[366], but made a lot of similar edits to the same section[367]. May be also connected to Wratharon (identical edit summaries, [368][369][370][371]). No evidence to connect him to Tirgil34. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ancientsteppe (talk · contribs) made his first edit on Wikipedia on 24 April 2013. Since then he has been making similar single-purpose extensive editing and edit warring to the ethnic history of Central Asia, with special focus on Mongolians and Mongolian sport. This is similar to the above-mentioned users, especially Toghuchar. Like Toghuchar and Uniquark9, he has been blocked for edit warring.[372] He as claimed that Ergenekon is a Mongolian creation myth[373] exactly like Khartakhan (talk · contribs)[374] and Khorichar.[375] These accounts almost certainly belong to the same person. Ancientsteppe appeared to have retired on 7 May 2014[376], but reappeared on 7 February 2015,[377] showing that he is still active. Krakkos (talk) 17:54, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Similar edits to Khartakhan and Khorichar, but nothing conclusive. Hard to connect him to Tirgil34, as he actually denies Turkic origin of Ergenekon. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Just similar edits, but nothing beyond that. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: No evidence of sockpuppetry, just editing similar articles. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Brand new account. Editing only one article (Golden Horde), and thus hard to prove anything. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: This account was already accused for being a sockpuppet of Uniquark9 (see: WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Uniquark9/Archive). The CU showed no connection. No need to run the CU again. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: This account was CU confirmed of operating multiple accounts (see: WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Alicewond) and blocked indefinitely. Hard to establish the link with Tirgil34, as this account made just one edit, and all its socks are dedicated solely to reverting edits made by Kansas Bear. No need to run the CheckUser again. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anand 6789 (talk · contribs) has been editing on and off since 2011. Most of his edits are related to the ethnic history of Central Asia with a Mongolian outlook, and they are very similar to Uniquark9, Khorichar, Toghuchar and the rest. I'm a little unsure about this one but i'll add him just in case. Krakkos (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Simmilar edits, nothing beyond that. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Simmilar edits, nothing beyond that. The account is very  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Simmilar edits, nothing beyond that. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Simmilar edits, nothing beyond that. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: According to the presented evidence, possibly connected to Wratharon. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Probably not connected to Tirgil34, edits are not similar. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Simmilar edits, nothing beyond that. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: This account was already accused for being a sockpuppet of Uniquark9 (see: WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Uniquark9/Archive). The CU showed no connection. No need to run the CU again. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: This user was called by Avono to join discussion at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Uniquark9, but he was not accused. The edits are similar, but I didn't find anything conclusive. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: The edits are similar to Uniquark9, but I didn't find anything conclusive. The CU is technically possible. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: The edits are similar to Uniquark9, but I didn't find anything conclusive. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Made just five edits, hard to prove anything. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: This account is indefinitely blocked for personal attacks. Edits are similar to those of Tirgil34, but nothing conclusive. The account is  Stale. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by other users
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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

i cant believe that i am being accused as a sockpuppet. is this a joke or what? kazekagetr 13:36, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(Above comment moved from case area) -- Orduin Discuss 22:42, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is worth mentioning that Yagmurlukorfez (talk · contribs) is a likely meatpuppet of Tirgil34 who was worked tirelessly to defend Tirgil34 and reinsert material by his socks. See this section on WP:AN. Krakkos (talk) 14:10, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • His current accusations about me proving he is getting paranoid on this subject. Krakkos accusing everyone who edit an article about Turkic peoples or Central asia. He listed over 60 user! Probably most of them supported each others on different subjects. Who knows who is sock or not? does it make you a meatpuppet? His charges too stale to be taken serious.Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 14:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • How in the world is User:KazekageTR on the list when A.) That user has been here longer than the accused and B.) has more edits than me? TheMesquitobuzz 18:52, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, TheMesquito. As mentioned, he's been making similar edits to Tirgil34 sock Kleropides (talk · contribs)[393] on Tauri.[394] Finding diffs is hard because of the number of edits. You are however making a valid point and i'm considering to remove him from the list. Krakkos (talk) 19:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am skeptical in the extreme that KazekageTR is involved in any sockpuppetry. I feel certain the CheckUser will verify that. --IJBall (talk) 20:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WOW, so anyone who makes 'nearly' the same edits, gets to accused as a 'sockpuppet'. Well, damn mate. I am definetly sure that i would find some contribs of yours that identical to others and when i find these edits, accuse you as a puppet also. kazekagetr 17:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am speechless, how in the world my name appears here? Isn't Wikipedia a free encyclopedia or are there forbidden articles? Dashte Qom (talk) 20:44, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. How did he even make such a long list? And I'm certainly not Tirgil34. --Evecurid (talk) 21:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Bbb23: I've noticed from the archive that you on 29 December 2014 declined a CheckUser on Bolanile (talk · contribs) because you considered him stale (at the time it was less than a month since his last edit[395]). Bolanile however returned on 4 January 2015[396] and was confirmed as a Tirgil34 sock by coincidence after i filed a successful SPI on 16 February 2015 against Kervani (talk · contribs) and LazarozI (talk · contribs). It is quite surprising how conservative you are with regards to endorsing CheckUser on this highly disruptive editor. I'm curious, would you have endorsed the highly successful 25 June 2014 SPI against a large number of Tirgil34 socks? I fear that in such a scenario, these Tirgil34 socks would still be wrecking havoc on Wikipedia. Tirgil34 has done tremendous damage to Wikipedia's coverage of Central Asian history trough his disruptive editing and extensive sockpuppetry, and you are correct in identifying me as a crusader against such behaviour. It is of utter importance that the above-mentioned users be checked. Krakkos (talk) 01:59, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

TheMesquito, IJBall and Yagmurlukorfez thank you guys for defending me. I really can't believe this bullsh*t. Krakkos is like a Gestapo operative. He/She just accuses without any solid evidence and demands executions. kazekagetr 17:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@KazekageTR and SarekOfVulcan: The reason i added you as a potential sock is an edit were you claim that the Tauri were a Turkic people.[397] Blocked Tirgil34 sock Kleropides (talk · contribs) had earlier made similar edits at the same article.[398] While Kleropides simply insinuated that the Tauri where Turkic, you actually inserted that claim right into the first sentence. Pushing dubious claims of Turkic origins of various peoples and cultures is a typical feature of Tirgil34. This is often being done through misreprentation of sources. I will illustrate one example here. At the article Wusun, Tirgil34 sock Poikdiyma (talk · contribs) pushes the claim that the Wusun were Turkic.[399] The most notably source used for this claim is Denis Sinor, who was one of the world's leading scholars on Central Asian history for more than half a century. Poikdiyma (Tirgil34) specifically quotes Sinor's work "The legendary Origin of the Türks". He does not provide a link to this text, but i have discovered that it can be read at Aspects of Altaic Civilization III and Studies in Medieval Inner Asia, both edited by Sinor. Not only is the claim of a Turkic origin of the Wusun absent from Sinor's article, but he is actually of the opposite opinion: "... it seems likely, the Wu-sun were an Indo-European , perhaps Iranian people." At Tauri, you likewise cited a work by distinguished scholars, Omeljan Pritsak and Norman Golb. However you neither provided an URL, page numbers, or a quotation for your claim, making it hard to verify. I did find the book in question, Khazarian Hebrew Documents of the Tenth Century, at Google Books, but searches for Tauri, Scythotauri, Tauri Scythae and Tauroscythae yielded no results. I suspected this could be a source misrepresentation similar to that by Tirgil34 on Wusun. When googling "'Tauri' 'Turkic'", the top results are forum posts by Kipchack Håkan at TheApricity and Template of Time at Historum. In all probability, Kipchak Håkan and Temple of Time is the same person as Tirgil34. See this post by Kipchak Håkan,[400] where he cites material uploaded by Tirgil34 sock Agaceri (talk · contribs) at Huvishka just hours earlier.[401] Compare Kipchak Håkan's post with this post by Template of Time.[402] Because of these obvious similarities, i added you as a suspect in this SPI. Given the drama this has created, i've done more research, and i've realized that this is probably a coincidence, and that you've been active on Wikipedia for a long time doing what i otherwise consider constructive contributions. I will therefore revoke my nomination of you as a sock of Tirgil34. I will also extend an apology for nominating you, despite the fact that i have yet to recieve an apology from you for your numerous personal attacks against me following the filing of this SPI. Krakkos (talk) 20:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
you have accused me for just one 'look alike' bloody edit? i know hakan from apricity, he tried to ban me cause i troll turks. i have also opened up a topic in tukish sub forum in there, i am curious what will he say about this issue. btw, since you are apologizing, i apologize too. kazekagetr 20:30, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a joke? Please tell me this is a joke, seriously? Smart Nomad (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(Preceding comment moved from case section) -- Orduin Discuss 22:07, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Vanjagenije, Bbb23, and Future Perfect at Sunrise: I have now removed User:PavelStaykov, User:Bulat Muratov and User:KazekageTR from the list of suspected socks due to insufficient evidence. I have also removed references to Yagmurlukorfez (talk · contribs) and revoked the request for CU on stale socks Mrliebeip (talk · contribs) and Riversides (talk · contribs), who i however believe should be blocked as per WP:DUCK. Regarding the question of ideology, Tirgil is a turanist, which means that he is both "Pro-Turkic" or "Pro-Mongol". The edit history of his confirmed socks however shows that he is primarily Pro-Turkic. The reason i added this large number of "Pro-Mongol" users is that there was clearly extensive sockpuppetry going on with those accounts, and one of these users, Uniquark9 (talk · contribs), has been making very similar edits to Tirgil's socks in Israel related articles, as i have mentioned above. It is however possible that these "Pro-Mongol" accounts could be socks of another user. In that case i suspect Ancientsteppe (talk · contribs). If you consider the addition of these "Pro-Mongol" users harmful to this SPI, i will surely remove those as suspects, and possibly launch a separate investigation at some other time. Krakkos (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Vanjagenije and Bbb23: I'm dissapointed that such a few suspects have been endorsed for a CU. It seems like the only condition for being endorsed for a CU is to have explicitly restored edits by the sockmaster. That Grathmy (talk · contribs) was denied a CU is particularly discouraging. I however salute you, Vanjagenije for an unusually thourough check on the accounts listed. It's however unfortunate that a CU has been requested already. I earlier requested that you place this SPI on hold for a while so that i could add more evidence at a later point when i'm less busy. Is there any rush? I also have some comments to the behavioural check you did which i think would be a benefit to the investigation. Krakkos (talk) 00:31, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Vanjagenije and Bbb23: I have discovered some more potential socks and evidence, and i'm contemplating on starting yet another investigation once this one is finished. Is it on the other hand forbidden to ever again list any members of the current list as suspected socks? Bbb23, may i also ask if there are any tools you would recommend for investigating sockpuppetry? How long must an account have been inactive to be considered stale? Sorry for being a pain in the ass. Krakkos (talk) 21:51, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whether you relist the same accounts in another investigation depends on the circumstances of the last time they were listed. Rather than go through the possible permutations, why don't you ask if it's relevant at the time you want to relist it? Different clerks use different tools to assist them. I tend not to use hardly any. Usually, an account is stale after three months of no activity.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:01, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know much about this, but Spiritclaymore is definitely Worldcreaterfighter. I realized I have warned both of them about edit warring to post copyvios and admittedly poor material at Huns. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:56, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ian.thomson: Would you, please, open a separate investigation on those? Vanjagenije (talk) 00:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Very well. Just thought that since they're mentioned here, I'd drop a note first. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:09, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
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  • @Vanjagenije: Are you really sure you want to endorse a CU? I have rarely seen such a list of supposed puppets. Some of them have very few edits, and many of them are stale, meaning a CU would be worthless. This looks like a crusading scattershot approach to tying accounts to a particular master based on supposed similarities in perspective.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:25, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah, there's clearly something exaggerated in this request. While there are certainly some socks in this list, I can see several among the names above that appear to share little with the sockmaster beyond the topic area; some appear to have been promoting POVs noticeably different from the sockmaster's supposed agenda, while there are also groups of accounts centered around several relatively distinct POV issues that only loosely overlap (in particular, is Tirgil supposed to have a pro-Turkish or pro-Mongolian ethnic agenda?) It's also concerning that some names have been included again repeatedly (in particular, Yagmurlukorfez (talk · contribs) has been listed in five or six previous requests, and again this time, even though he was cleared as technically unrelated the first time round.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:42, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  •  On hold @Bbb23 and Future Perfect at Sunrise: Yes , I guess you two are Right. At the moment I endorsed the CU, there were only four suspected sockpuppets listed [403]. The only non-stale account listed was Dashte Qom, and I basically endorsed the CU for this account to be checked. The evidence provided for that account seemed strong enough (like [404] and [405]). I was not aware that the case filer would add dozens of other suspects. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Vanjagenije: I hate to ask this of you, but could you do a behavioral check of each account still listed? Note that Krakkos has withdrawn some of the accounts, so I don't know exactly how many are left. There has to be sufficient evidence of sock puppetry by a non-stale account to endorse a CU. Otherwise, it's more likely the checkuser will decline the request, although not every checkuser has the same threshold. Also, you have the option of endorsing a limited CU, identifying which accounts you believe should be checked and why.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Take all the time you need. It's not an easy task. And, Krakkos, don't add any more alleged socks. If you think you've found any, add them on another report after this one is finished.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

*@Vanjagenije: a masterful job. If I may offer some advice, I'd now endorse a CU listing those accounts you're asking the checkuser to check for you. Obviously, don't include stale accounts, but just because a CU is "possible" doesn't mean you should endorse it. You have to feel there's enough evidence to warrant it.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Clerk note: I went through all those evidence, and reviewed all accounts' edits (not all of them, of course), and I left a comment for each account. Some of them are certainly connected, whether to Tirgil34 or to each other. But most of those are hard to prove: most of the accounts are stale, and many of them made just a few edits. In other cases, similarity is evident, but the strong evidence may not be found. Some of the accounts were already accused in other cases, and all except Alicewond were not proved sockpuppets. After reviewing all accusations, I think that those should be investigated further:

And that would be all. All other suspects are either stale or the evidence is too vague. Bbb23, do you think we should endorse CU for those? Vanjagenije (talk) 22:44, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of endorsed for ease
@Vanjagenije: The weakest pair, as you yourself say, is Uniquark9 and Toghuchar. However, they are both aggressive, disruptive, and share obvious similar interests. The checkuser can decline that pair if he or she wishes. I'd go ahead with the endorse of the accounts you've listed.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
CU results
  • (1) Dashte Qom, Henephon7, Слушкы are  Likely to several previous Tirgil34 socks.
  • (2) Data regarding Akocsg is not particularily useful.  Inconclusive, but the following are  Confirmed to Vgleer socks: (maybe worth a deeper check if someone moves this to that case and endorses)
  • (4)  Confirmed:
Massive list
  • None of the groups above show relation to each other.
  • I might not have detected all the socks, so a review of the remaining non-stale socks would be appropriate. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 22:38, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Vanjagenije: Let's get straight how we're going to about this and in what order. I will block and tag Group #1 after I finish this comment. You can add the Vgleer socks in Group #2 to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vgleer. I wouldn't do anything fancy. Just open up a new investigation with the right date and sections, and just add these to it. Don't add everything (it'd be mighty confusing), and don't worry about the revision history. Obviously, you should cross-reference that case in this one. Then, I'd endorse a "deeper check" as DQ practically invited you to do so. I can block them once they're moved or wait until you endorse and the check is run. Just let me know. As for Uniquark9 in Group #3, I wouldn't bother adding the one puppet to that case. Just cross-reference this case in that one. I'll block and tag the puppet after I finish this comment. As for the long list in Group #4, I'd open up a new case for that master and then tag them. Again, I wouldn't do any fancy merge. Just open it and move enough of what's here so it makes sense. Once you've done that, you can tag all the accounts. They're all blocked, so you don't need my help for that. If any of this is unclear or you disagree with anything, ping me. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:14, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Bbb23: Yes, that was in relation to Tor usage in a case that I mentioned in my Arbitration nomination. There are no active indicators of Tor usage on the two IPs from the user, and an external source says there is no exit ports there.
  • @Krakkos: Just about everything here was found through a range check, not individual IPs. That always creates a possibility for sleepers to slip by. That said I have just checked each account again to be sure, and there is no indications beyond what I already noted. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 01:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
04 May 2015
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On 26 February 2015 i filed an SPI against Tirgil34, listing a large number of users as suspected socks. The majority of these users were however rejected a checkuser because the evidence were insufficient or the accounts were stale. The users endorsed were all found to the sockpuppets, and several users i listed that were not endorsed for a CU were also confirmed as socks. Because of these revelations, i have decided to file another SPI, including both a refiling of some non-stale accounts with additional evidence and a new filing for a couple of other users. I earlier asked clerk Bbb23 (talk · contribs) about refiling previously suspected users, and was told that that issue could be discussed when a possible refiling was being done. If the refiling for a CU of any of these users is somehow against policy i will promptly withdraw these filings. I believe a CU is necessary because Tirgil34 conceals his sockpuppetry so that enforcing WP:DUCK is difficult, while previous checkusers on Tirgil34 have disclosed numerous sleepers. The sockmster Tirgil34 has been utilizing more than fifty socks to conduct various disruptive editing behaviour, and his latest socks were blocked as recently as 10 March 2015. I have created a quite detailed LTA on Tirgil34, so that checkusers, admins, clerks or any other users for that matter can get an overview of Tirgil34's behaviour. I will explain the reasons for why each of the listed users are suspected below:

  • Hirabutor (talk · contribs) was already blocked in August 2014. He is however still active on Wiktionary.[828] As Hirabutor might have been visiting Wikipedia under IP's shared by new sockpuppets, perhaps a check on Hirabutor for sleepers could be useful?
  • Seamykohl (talk · contribs) is an almost certain sock of Tirgil34 active on Wiktionary.[829] He marks his edit as "extending etymology"[830] just like Hirabutor.[831] As Seamykohl is registered on Wikipedia too, and was registered on Wiktionary on 27 March 2015, perhaps a check for sleepers could be useful?
  • 176.219.163.163 (talk · contribs) is one of the more recent of a number of accounts belonging to the same range that have edited together with Tirgil34 sock Greentent (talk · contribs) at Karasuk culture and had suspicious conversations at User talk:Greentent,[832] or appeared at my talk page to accuse others of being socks of Tirgil34.[833] Compare the conversation between Greentent and the IPv4's and "conversations" Tirgil34 has had between his own confirmed socks.[834][835][836][837][838] They all locate to Istanbul, Turkey and belong to the range 176.219... Like with the IPv6 accounts, lots of Tirgil34 socks might be hiding behind this range, and i believe a deep range check is needed with a subsequent hard rangeblock.
  • 2a02:908:e620:a260:b02f:a471:f46:436f (talk · contribs) is one of the more recent of a number of IPv6 accounts belongint to the same range that have reverted me at Wusun and Kangju and complained about me on WP:ANI,[839][840][841] or edited in my favour at Bey and Bashkirs, even marking their edits exactly like i do.[842][843] As the edit summary of the hostile IP's show, they clearly belong to Tirgil34. They all locate to Haina, Germany and belong to the range 2A02:908:E620:A260... I suspect there are lots of Tirgil34 socks hiding behind IPv6's from this range. I believe a deep range check is needed with a subsequent hard rangeblock.
Suspected sockpuppets that are  Stale
  • The reason for listing the IPv6 accounts above is explained in the non-stale socks section.
  • The reason for listing the IPv4 accounts above is explained in the non-stale socks section.
  • Akimon~enwiki (talk · contribs) joined Wikipedia on 31 January, 2015, the same day as Unixe96, and his edits are like Unixe96 exclusively to the gallery at Uyghur people.[926][927]
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  • User Akocsg was investigated several times (if I was good remember) and nothing happened. Before accuse a person with sockpuppetry, you should check old investigation archieves. And again, last time you also listed user Kafkasmurat's name as a suspected sockpuppet but clerk found it stale. Now you listed him again. I know him from Turkish Wkikipedia and it is very unlikely that he is a sockpuppet of anyone. You have to stop adding same persons again and again.Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 18:58, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Yagmurlukorfez: You should read my reasons for listing Akocsg (talk · contribs) before levelling criticism. I'm well aware that Akocsg has been checked before, but this was not against Tirgil34. And Kafkasmurat (talk · contribs) made his most recent edit yesterday so he is certainly not stale. Krakkos (talk) 19:09, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Yagmurlukorfez: By they way, the fact that you "know" Kafkasmurat is hardly evidence that he's not a sock. It's rather evidence to the contrary. Edit summmaries also show that you "knew" Hirabutor (talk · contribs),[998] Radosfrester (talk · contribs),[999] Ragdeenorc (talk · contribs),[1,000] Su4kin (talk · contribs)[1,001] and Mehmeett21 (talk · contribs).[1,002] Krakkos (talk) 19:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are already no "evidences" aganist him except your some delusions and blabberings. Well, this is up to clerks. They'll decide to endorsement. I just expressed my view. Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 21:59, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please, stop alienating. You can't own Wikipedia. I'm online with this account, most of the time. Investigate it, and you'll see, somebody trying to offend us. I don't know why.--Kafkasmurat (talk) 19:12, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @DeltaQuad: I was of course aware that around half of the socks now listed had been listed previously. Based on the earlier investigation, it seemed to me that among previously listed accounts, the only one now listed who has been checked before was Akocsg (talk · contribs), who was however checked against Vgleer (talk · contribs) and not Tirgil34. I do not know weather the inconclusive check of Akocsg against Vgleer makes a check of Akocsg against Tirgil34 redundant. If it does then i'll remove the requested check on Akocsg, as i've already written in the evidence section. I see that you after performing the check in the previous investigation wrote that "a review of the remaining non-stale socks would be appropriate." Is review the same as a checkuser? You later wrote that "I have just checked each account again to be sure, and there is no indications beyond what I already noted." I interprated this as you having checked the endorsed suspects once again. Did you in fact perform a check on all the non-stale non-endorsed accounts too? Krakkos (talk) 02:18, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Among those reported users, User:Grathmy is the most suspected one. Because he has similar behavior and edit pattern like Tirgil34. Targeted Indo-European/Indo-Iranian articles, false edit summaries, misuse of tags and marked his major changes as minor/grammar edits, mass editing (performs a lot of semi-minor edits to evade) to change a whole sentence or paragraph. His edits on Andronovo culture is similar to other banned Tirgil34's socks User:Daru Dakitu, User:Kervani, User:Radosfrester, User:Muramidase. User:Grathmy's goal on Andronovo article is exactly similar to User:Radosfrester. See comments by banned user on talk page. Now User:Grathmy does same things. Other possible sock is this user. A checkuser is necessary and should be priority for User:Grathmy case, because it's possible that User:Grathmy registered new accounts to target other articles. Possible new accounts are 1 and 2. --Zyma (talk) 13:11, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I have ran a check on several (less than 50%) of the users listed here. There was only one account where I could make a  Unlikely bordering unrelated. The rest are absolutely unrelated in my checks. While I did find additional accounts with several of the accounts I checked they either appeared to be in line with policy or seemingly accidental/not done on purpose. Therefore I recommend any additional endorsements really selectively prune the evidence. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 19:27, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This case has gotten out of hand in size and the longer it gets the less likely that anyone will accept it. TLDR applies here. Conciseness is heavily valued in SPI reports. Please try to keep future reports brief and to the point. I've placed some protections on the fly regarding this case. Closing.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 12:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
24 May 2015
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This is a refiling of a previous case closed as a WP:TLDR. I have conferred with Bearean Hunter who decided on the closure, who did not object to refiling a more concise case. Since the users listed here were all part of the previous case, additional evidence can be found in the archive.

 Clerk note: Based on the provided evidence, I'm endorsing the CU to compare Grathmy with Tirgil34. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:53, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Based on the provided evidence, I'm endorsing the CU to compare IslamSh with Tirgil34. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:53, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Akocsg was already checked in the February case (DeltaQuad said that the data regarding him is "not useful"). Declining the CU on him. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:47, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Based on the provided evidence, I'm endorsing the CU to compare Dontbesogullible with Tirgil3. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Based on the provided evidence, I'm endorsing the CU to compare Nozdref with Dontbesogullible and Tirgil3. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: As I already said in the February case, there no enough evidence to connect Kafkasmurat to Tirgil34. I'm declining the CU. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Böri (talk · contribs) is another user with the same Turkic nationalist agenda as Tirgil34. Böri edits the very obscure article Tarján, which has only been edited by three other users, including Tirgil34 sock Hirabutor[1,156] and suspected sock Dontbesogullibe.[1,157] In his edit Böri's attempts to connect Tarján to Tarkhan,[1,158] just like Hirabutor.[1,159] At Kankalis Böri seeks to connect the Kangli with the Kangju,[1,160] just like Tirgil34 sock Julbaxsan at Kangju.[1,161]
 Clerk note: Based on the provided evidence, I'm endorsing the CU to compare Böri with Tirgil3. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Based on the provided evidence, I'm endorsing the CU to compare BöriShad with Tirgil3. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: As this user was already checked by the CheckUser, I'm declining new check. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Kavkas and Kavkasian are probably the same, but they did not edit concurrently (forgotten password?). Evidence is too weak to connect him to Tirgil34. I'm declining the CU on him. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: Evidence is weak. He made just 4 edits, so it's hard to make any conclusion. His position is opposite Tirgil34. I'm declining the CU on him. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Clerk note: No edits made by this account. Declining the CU on him. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:57, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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@Vanjagenije, Bbb23, and Callanecc: As the SPI filer, here are my notes to the CheckUser finds.

1. In retrospect, listing IslamSh seems to have been a mistake. Though he an Tirgil34's edits were similar, they were strictly connected to the Alan-Karachay-Balkar topic, so it could have been a coincidence that they seemed similar. IslamSh is very active at the Karachay-Balkar Wikipedia,[1,227] and it does not seem like Tirgil34 speaks that language. I want to apologize to IslamSh.

2. I'm very suprised that Grathmy was declared unrelated. Due to his similar behavior and agenda to Tirgil34 at such a variety of articles i considered him the most likely sock. Although i can't know what data the Tirgil34 comparasions were based on, one might add that the CheckUser tool cannot always confirm socking by Tirgil34 as he's socking with IP's from across the world. At Göktürks he[1,228] has been editing with both Turkish,[1,229] Dutch,[1,230] Canadian,[1,231] New Zealandic[1,232] and even Iranian[1,233] IPs. He is also deliberately hiding his tracks[1,234][1,235][1,236] in order to make detecting his socking difficult. I'm expanding the section with evidence on Grathmy for a WP:DUCK consideration.

3. Given Akocsg's similar edits to User:Dontbesogullible at Tengrism and other articles, perhaps a check of Akocsg with Dontbesogullible, Böri and BöriShad could be of use? Krakkos (talk) 21:36, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Krakkos, it's a very good point regarding the limitations of CheckUser which is why I emphasised that the behavioural evidence needed evaluation. All I could do was compare the IPs Tirgil has used in the past. It wouldn't surprise me if a number of the accounts were actually Tirgil but I can only go with what I've got unfortunately. Regarding number 3, I did check that and it didn't look like they were technically related but as I said  Behavioural evidence needs evaluation. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:58, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Callanecc: A new suspicious User:Wolfie87 (Böri means wolf in Turkish) inserts[1,237] the same content at Attila as Dontbesogullible[1,238] at Attila (name). Could be another sock. Krakkos (talk) 21:33, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  •  Clerk endorsed. I'm endorsing the CheckUser to compare:
  1. Grathmy with Tirgil34,
  2. IslamSh with Tirgil34,
  3. Dontbesogullible and Nozdref with each other and with Tirgil34,
  4. Böri and BöriShad with each other and with Tirgil34.
I made comments above regarding every suspect. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:57, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije: I see no non-stale accounts to check against as a proxy for Tirgil34. Did you have something in mind?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:12, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Nozdref is  Stale.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:17, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23: Yes, you are right regarding Nozdref. I checked when the case was opened, but forgot to check again. He became stale in the meantime. Dashte Qom, Henephon7 and Слушкы were found by the CU to be "likely to several previous Tirgil34 socks" [1,239] less than three months ago. Isn't there any data left from that? Vanjagenije (talk) 22:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije: Nope. It's not when the finding is made. It's based on the last contribution of the account.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:31, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There's probably enough in the CU log to give a good result and we can compare against each other even if not. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:13, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's all yours, Callanecc. --Bbb23 (talk) 01:27, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:46, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]


26 June 2015
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20 September 2015

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Very similar edits on the lede of article. [1,296] by Greczia (talk · contribs) (one of the blocked sockpuppets of Tirgil34). Compare with Александр Батурин (talk · contribs) edits [1,297], [1,298], [1,299], [1,300]. And this newest edits by a new account Александр Цикало (talk · contribs)(after article protection), he restored previous content added by IP-socks and Greczia; [1,301], [1,302], and same edits on Balkars just like previous socks [[1,303]]. There are also some IPs with similar edit patterns on those pages [1,304], [1,305], [1,306]. Both Александр Цикало (talk · contribs) and those IPs referenced to unverifiable non-English sources. It seems those citations are bogus and unreliable. Same behavior like Tirgil34 (talk · contribs): misrepresenting of sources, bogus content, and providing unverifiable or hard-to-verify contents. 49.251.150.35 (talk) 04:01, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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22 November 2015

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Similar obsession to claim various Iranian peoples, in this particular example the Alans, as Turkics.([1,307]-[1,308]-[1,309]-[1,310]) This is a core-habit of Tirgil & Co. Furthermore, notice the Cyrillic username, which he often uses as well, in order to hide as a person from that region he tries to vandalize. Also, look at the usage of the same edit summaries on top of all this,[1,311]-[1,312]-[1,313]-[1,314] as well as how the accounts in question perfectly aid each other.

Even more importantly, look how all listed accounts and IP's basically reinstate this very edit/content of an already CU blocked Tirgil sock on the very same articles, namely "Greczia" ([1,315]). The exact same stuff has been archived in the long-term abuse case. [1,316]

I'm merely adding the IPs (they're obviously all stale), as they're simply adding/reinstating the same exact same edits as these accounts.([1,317]-[1,318]-[1,319]-[1,320]-[1,321]) Just for the record.

Александр Батурин is also a stale account but made the exact same edits, with again a Cyrillic name (in the Tirgil fashion), on these related articles.([1,322]-[1,323])

Its some grand scheme as you can see, with numerous IPs and socks being used by the same person, and looking at the evidence, its pointing at Tirgil & Co I believe. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 04:20, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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28 November 2015

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behavioral evidence from Xiongnu. [1,324], [1,325], [1,326], [1,327], [1,328] 188.158.95.115 (talk) 04:15, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The following accounts are  Confirmed to each other:
Yajuj (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Sylduz (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
MagnificentMehmet (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
LnquiringsMind (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Tündezs (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
BronzeAgeYeniseian (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
1Albin2 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Drevniyk (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Cardiffian1 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
ParanormalAktivity (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Sanharich (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Тазовск (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Al Hanvar (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Swathmafia (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Asalipur (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Subartuli (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Oiartzu (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Árpádok (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Lantitude (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
LG.KH-12.8 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
IAWTIran (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Fatih1071 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
KLRO6P (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Talgatovthe2nd (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Dimit Tios (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Волгаа (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Savarian (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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The accounts are Red X Unrelated to Yakbul. no No comment with respect to IP address(es).  Clerk assistance requested: Could a clerk create a new case for these accounts? Thanks, Mike V • Talk 00:17, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Done and closing. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:38, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@Vanjagenije: Could you also add a request to check Ejlabnet and Hazel4ureyes against Yakbul? Ejlabnet made his first edit the day after Yakbul was blocked,[1,398] and the person behind the IP 130.88.99.230 seems to the same as the person behind Yakbul.[1,399][1,400][1,401][1,402][1,403][1,404] Krakkos (talk) 21:08, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Nedbud, a sleeper account from Commons, reuploads the image Neigbour-joining-tree-of-population-genetics.png to Genetic history of the Turkish people.[1,405] This image was originally added to the article by Ulubeyli,[1,406] a likely Tirgil34, sock, and then restored by various IP's with the same ISP and location as many IP socks of Tirgil34.[1,407][1,408] At commons Nedbud complains about "source falsifications",[1,409] similar to many Tirgil34 socks.[1,410][1,411][1,412][1,413][1,414][1,415][1,416][1,417] The person behind Tirgil34 has been posting the same map at the racist website "TheApricity" wit the comment "Sorry, it's genetic reality."[1,418] Krakkos (talk) 17:24, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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