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Manuel Kanté

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This is one of many articles created by Zombie433, who has since been banned due to adding dubious stories. I cannot find any significant coverage for this men's footballer, who has never played at professional level, to meet WP:GNG. The sources provided are either match reports and routine transfer announcements. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brooklyn Kabongolo

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Fails WP:GNG. Sources are primary sources that do not show notability. Only has 9 appearances at 5th tier of English soccer. Demt1298 (talk) 18:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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International Certification of Dance Studies

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Contested draft, immediately moved back to mainspace by the author. Article clearly needs more work, and should remain in draftspace for the time being. No objections to deletion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 11:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I must say I'm baffled. An earlier attempt was speedied. The author then created this directly in the main space, from where it was draftified. I advised them against trying to create this directly, on account of their COI, and the next thing I find out they've gone ahead and done just that. So apart from anything else, I think the author should give some undertaking not to keep creating this, because otherwise we're just chasing our tails here. I don't think there's much point in draftifying this, as another copy already exists in the draft space; let's just figure out whether the subject is notable, and delete if not. For now, I'm saying delete as non-notable, because there's nothing in the draft as it currently stands that would suggest otherwise. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not understand anything you said. In wikipedia in order to post something I think I need to graduate from a University. All the terminology used such as COI etc. are not clear for me what is this and what have a undertaken?

Really it is very hard to understand the system how does it work here. Anahit Saribekyan (talk) 10:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anahit Saribekyan: in that case, I probably need to leave it for someone else to explain this. I've spent a fair amount of time on your talk page trying, and clearly failing, to make things clear(er). Someone more articulate will come along soon... -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to contribute to the discussion and confirm that Ms. Anahit Saribekyan is the webmistress of the International Dance Council CID at UNESCO. I am the current President of the CID. The International Certification of Dance Studies is one of the permanent programs of the CID. It has been established in order to assist dance schools in validating their classes by offering to their students a document valid world wide. Approximately 1000 dance schools are offering this document, which is issued by the CID upon request. Detailed information is to be found at the official website of the CID www.CID-world.org

As all the activities of the CID, it is strictly non-commercial and it is not advertised.

Therefore, I vouch for the retention of the relative article at the Wikipedia and remain at your disposal for additional information.

Prof. Dr. Alkis Raftis Alkis Raftis (talk) 15:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia, Prof. Dr. Alkis Raftis.

Just to explain, Ms Saribekyan's role in all this isn't the issue, or at least not the main one (it does give rise to a conflict of interest, but I think we've already successfully dealt with that, even if it continues to cause some difficulties). The main problem we face is one of lack of any evidence of notability, which is a core requirement for inclusion in the encyclopaedia; as well as promotionality, which is, conversely, an impediment. The former issue is what this 'Articles for Deletion' discussion seeks to explore, so that the community can form a consensus on whether or not this article should be retained.

Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Fortant

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No refs on the page for many years. It seems he was part of the French military mission to Japan (1867–1868), which seems like an interesting historical incident. However I'm not seeing much that can be described as substantial RS about this person. fr.wiki has more information but is equally bereft of sources. JMWt (talk) 18:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I can't read Japanese, but GoogleTranslate can, and the Japanese version is vastly better than either the English or French ones, and almost convinces me that this is a notable person who deserves an article. For the moment I'd go for delete, but it could perhaps be saved by an editor with knowledge of the incident and, ideally, Japanese. Athel cb (talk) 18:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, maybe. It appears from ja.wiki that there's a source:

鈴木明著、「追跡―一枚の幕末写真」、集英社（1984年）、ISBN 978-4087724929

Even if that is substantially about this individual, it appears to only be a single source. JMWt (talk) 19:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to French military mission to Japan (1867–1868) as ATD unless decent sources are found. I csn5 fund much even in Japanese. Mccapra (talk) 19:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Famous News article in English Media House where it's covered Cyberpower7 (talk) 19:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not eligible,this article not have news coverage Cyberpower7 (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to have !voted for both !keep and !delete. JMWt (talk) 20:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Bertez

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Refunded after soft deletion, but the subject still fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO due to insufficient WP:SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No attempt seems to be made since the REFUND to update the article and large section are still unsourced. What sources are there are made up of routine annoucements and a small history of he paper which is a passing mention. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. No secondary sources on a WP:BLP that need high quality soures that are not there. scope_creep^Talk 05:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lycée naval

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There were no refs on the page until I added one earlier. On further reflection I am not seeing anything else and I don't think this is sufficient to meet the GNG. fr.wiki is of no real help as the only substantive sources there are from the French government. JMWt (talk) 13:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment there is also the unsourced Brest Naval Training Centre and the barely-sourced École navale and École de maistrance. Probably sourcing is too thin for individual articles but some merger would be preferable to deletion. Mccapra (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Brest Naval Training Centre, or possibly merge both to Brest Arsenal. I don't see sufficient coverage about this high school; my French isn't good enough to determine if there is sufficient coverage of the training center. For the Arsenal itself, the current government sources (and 200 years of historical records) are enough, even though the sourcing in that article is sub-par. Walsh90210 (talk) 17:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Brest Naval Training Centre or else keep. - This one is made tricky by my lack of access to possible sources, because at least one of the sources I found seems quite confusing, but would tend to confirm notability. I am leaning keep, but coming down on the side of Merge because French wikipedia tells us that Brest Naval Training Centre is located the buildings of the former Naval school, and now hosts two training schools (écoles de formation) and this lycée. That is, the Naval training centre is a combined naval training and education facility that would be a good home for this article content, and could be expanded. However, WP:MADRENAME is required. This page should correctly be either Lycée naval de Brest or its English name Brest naval high school. Those would be how this is searched for, and the current name would make a poor redirect.
Now as to why I would be leaning keep, and think this should be at least a merge, I have found extensive mentions, although, without full access to the books, have not proven SIGCOV. Some examples:

Le Monde de l'éducation (in French). S.A.R.L. Le Monde. 1994. - Le Monde is a French paper of record and these mentions are in a published collection. I cannot verify the indpendence of these mentions, as they are in an educational supplement, but likely are independent.
Gautier, Sébastien (13 July 2016). Une si belle journée (in French). Les Éditions du Net. ISBN 978-2-312-04548-1. - Mentions in a book about diving.
Bouvier, Claudia (23 March 2022). Codename Corvus Thriller: Band 1 Die Iskander - Verschwörung (in German). tredition. ISBN 978-3-347-47148-1. - Mentions in a German work of fiction.
Lormier, Dominique (4 May 2016). Histoires extraordinaires de la Seconde Guerre mondiale (in French). Cherche Midi. ISBN 978-2-7491-4084-1. - This book is about extraordinary :stories from the Second World War. It mentions this school, which would be very signiifcant, except it is apparently impossible - the school was started in 1968. I do not have the book, and I cannot see enough of the preview to unravel this. It may be, however, that the prior school is what is meant.

In addition to these there are very many news articles and other links (lots of books that are self published - so I ignored those). But it is a particular school in a historic building, one of just a few such schools and hosted in a nationally significant naval training centre. It should be kept in some form. But per WP:PAGEDECIDE, I think the merge is appropriate (at least unless and until enough information is found for a spinout). Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Janicke Askevold

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I don't think she meets WP:NACTOR, no evidence of significant roles. Directing non notable films doesn't really add to WP:DIRECTOR. And only 1 hit in google news, which is unusual for someone with a career in Europe. LibStar (talk) 01:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I would say she meets WP:NACTOR with her roles in My Way and China Salesman, two notable films. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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My database access has borked so I can't evaluate these properly, but there are lots of Norwegian newspapers that mention her here. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Emmanuel Chain

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. Article was tagged for UPE by others and creator is indeffed as a sock. Article content is just basic resume/CV type material. I translated the 4 sources although do not have a full understanding of the context of the websites. Two are so flowery that they appear to be self-written. Could not find even one GNG qualifying reference. North8000 (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: a fairly notable TV host; see sources in French. He does EASILY meet the requirements for notability and I am surprised to read no sources have been identified. Examples? https://www.liberation.fr/futurs/2003/05/20/emmanuel-chain-quitte-capital_434225/ https://www.liberation.fr/medias/2003/08/30/en-vitrine-emmanuel-chain-le-dessein-d-animer_443372/ https://www.letemps.ch/cyber/presentateur-capital-emmanuel-chain-quitte-m6?srsltid=AfmBOorshQ4A-QuUZu2qoDHWTH0tQmmASHLg8i4BwDSNJIXbEX-K783l https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/2003/06/01/emmanuel-chain-le-travail-et-le-capital_4277967_1819218.html https://www.leparisien.fr/culture-loisirs/emmanuel-chain-encourageant-02-09-2003-2004357796.php etc, etc, etc. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Wit the Fr sources given, should have enough for notability. This is a career retrospective [1], which also helps. Oaktree b (talk) 00:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The FR wiki article also has several sources in RS, which could be imported here. Oaktree b (talk) 00:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zoé Kézako

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Almost completely unsourced, heavily POV article. BEFORE showed no reviews or news. From what I can find, subject does not meet GNG. StartGrammarTime (talk) 15:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: http://www.planete-jeunesse.com/fiche-1529-zoe-kezako.html; also significant mentions here: https://www.animationmagazine.net/2021/12/people-on-the-move-teamtos-kouper-named-personality-of-the-year-milano-heads-rai-kids-more/ ("winner of the 2004 Pulcinella Award at Cartoons on the Bay and an Emmy nominee") (Emmy nomination as Best international Children's program confirmed by other sources). If judged insufficient, redirect to List of French animated television series#Comedy (listed there; with the nomination information and sources) (Also is a book series; same title) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kaoli Isshiki

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. No significant coverage in any of the sources. Two of the three cited sources don't even mention the subject, and the one source that does simply lists her as one of several singers in a chamber choir (she is one of four singers in the soprano section). 4meter4 (talk) 01:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I looked as promised, don't know yet. Solo appearance at the BBC Proms is at least something. I added some external links to check out. Her repertoire seems off the beaten track, plenty contemporary, and we might want to support that. I found the ref from which most of the article was taken and reworded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
adding: the French article has 24 references. I guess that some are those I also found (now in external links). Will look closer tomorrow, but someone knowing French might be more more successful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I haven't looked at those yet, but the English article is now referenced. For me, she is notable enough, having made interesting recordings, with notable ensembles and conductors, and only favourable reviews. She is not a diva-type soprano: that should not be a reason to delete. The article serves many links to music that is not normally in focus, both Baroque as contemporary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the French sources, I need help to not misread the French:
1. [2] This Le Monde article says that she won a prize.
2. [3] This is a more detailed review of her singing (not just "outstanding").
3. [4] recital
4. [5] recording --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt I don't think this in-depth enough to meet WP:SIGCOV. The last source is selling her CD and is not independent or significant coverage. The prod-s.com website also lacks independence. The Le Monde article spends half a sentence on her, and is a smaller not all that notable prize. The main prize went to another performer, Richard Rittelman, who deservedly is the focus of that article. Only the anaclase.com source approaches significant coverage (and honestly it isn't long enough to be considered in-depth as it devotes less than a paragraph of the article to her performance). Laurent Cuniot is the main subject of that article not Isshiki. There's not enough here to pass WP:NSINGER or WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO.4meter4 (talk) 21:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is Wikipedia only for those who win first prize? - This is a performer of several unusual recordings, and performances in Paris, Brussels, Proms, ... - Aldeburgh could be added. - Deborah Sasson was kept, but achieved less in the music world. She knew how to attract the press, however. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt This has nothing to do with the evaluating the worth of prize winners, but evaluating the quality of coverage of Kaoli Isshiki in sources. A half sentence of text is not significant coverage, and if the award were significant we would expect more coverage in independent media or academic publications. We can only build articles based on our notability guidelines which requires that we support articles with extant sources that contain significant coverage. That does mean that what journalists and academics choose to pay attention to directly impacts the types of articles we can create because we can't engage in WP:Original Research. That is both a limitation and a strength of writing on wikipedia. The fact that you have yet to locate any sources directly about Isshiki where she is the primary subject indicates that she isn't notable for wikipedia's purposes. This indicates that a journalist or an academic researcher needs to do some work before we can have an article and it is WP:TOOSOON for wikipedia to write on this person.4meter4 (talk) 22:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that our coverage should depend on one reviewer's or academic's personal attention or lack of that, when her contributions to music are facts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then fundamentally you have missed the point of wikipedia's core policies at WP:No original research, WP:VERIFIABILITY, and WP:SIGCOV. We can't build articles largely verified to primary and non-independent sources. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:20, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Informations about concerts and recordings are facts, not original research. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:PSTS which states, Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources, and to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. The issue here is that there is not enough secondary coverage of her performances and recordings to establish the notability of those performances and recordings, and to make sure the "facts" are presented in an encyclopedic and neutral manner. Building an article from primarily primary materials and sources closely connected to the subject does not match the policy language at PSTS. At this point we have found zero secondary or tertiary sources with significant coverage. That makes the topic both not notable, and any article built from the current sources in evidence a violation of PSTS policy on the no original research page. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Please educate me on my talk, not here. - Edit conflict, response only to the beginning of the comment above.) I didn't write this article, and probably would not have created it. But now it's there. I don't think we need "research" to agree that The Proms are notable, and that singing all of Monteverdi's Vespers (not just solos) is an admirable feat. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting policy language here isn't about educating you Gerda (although if it does that is a bonus). It's relevant policy language to the discussion. Providing textual evidence for an WP:AFD argument is what we are supposed to do at an AFD for the benefit of all participants. I have provided a detailed source analysis below, showing how none of the references constitute independent significant coverage as required by WP:Notability.`4meter4 (talk) 01:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Liz, could you please notify relevant projects, such as Opera and Women (in Music, in Red), - Song is not relevant. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Significant?	Independent?	Reliable?	Secondary?	Pass/Fail	Notes
Le Monde	N	Y	Y	Y	N	Non-notable award that receives only a half sentence of coverage in the article. The article is mainly about another person who won a different award which is notable. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Anaclase.com review	N	Y	Y	Y	N	Article is primarily a review of Laurent Cuniot and the TM+ ensemble at the Maison de la musique. Isshiki is only mentioned in passing, and the paragraph she is in is primarily not about her performance but about the song cycle by Jonathan Harvey. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
recital at prod-s.com	N	N	Y	N	N	The PROD-S company is the production company which produced the recital concert by Ishki. As they are a production team directly connected to the recital, and promote their events on their website this lacks both independence and significance. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
recording	N	N	Y	N	N	Vendor selling Isshiki's CD. Does nothing but verify a recording exists. It does not provide any information on the recording, and the website also lacks independence as it is selling a product featuring the subject. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
KAOLI ISSHIKI at ruhrtriennale.de	Y	N	Y	N	N	Artist bio at the website of Festival der Kunste which employed the singer. These bios are usually written by the subject or their paid talent management agency. Lacks independence. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Ensemble William Byrd	N	N	Y	N	N	Isshiki is listed as one of four sopranos in a chamber choir on the website of the choir itself. This is either neither independent or significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
KAOLI ISSHIKI at ludusmodalis.com	Y	N	Y	N	N	Artist bio at the website of the Ludus Modalis website which employs the singer. These bios are usually written by the subject or their paid talent management agency. Lacks independence. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Review at musica-dei-donum.org	Y	Y	N	Y	N	Review from a WP:SELFPUBLISHED non-notable blog. Not a reliable source. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Philharmonie de Paris	N	N	Y	N	N	Performance archive of the Philharmonie de Paris. Verifies she performed with the orchestra in a primary source, but this is neither significant or independent. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
BBC Proms	N	N	Y	N	N	Performance archive of the BBC proms. Verifies she performed with the BBC proms in a primary source, but this is neither significant or independent. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Voce.de	N	?	N	N	N	Voce.de is a WP:SELFPUBLISHED personal website of Hans-Josef Kasper. Not reliable. May or may not be independent. No way to tell with a self-published source. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Brusseks Philharmonic	N	N	Y	N	N	Website of the Brussels Philharmonic. It's the orchestra's performance archive and is both a primary source and lacks independence from the subject as the orchestra employed her. Can be used to verify the performance but is not usable towards proving notability. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Res Musica review	N	Y	Y	Y	N	This is an independent secondary source, but Isshiki's performance is only given a half sentence of attention. It is not in-depth enough to be considered significant. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
conservatoire-orchestre.caen.fr/	N	N	Y	N	N	This is an advertisement with ticket sale pricing and links for purchasing. It is not a review, not independent, and not significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
musicweb-international.com	N	Y	Y	Y	N	This is an independent review of album on which Isshiki performs on a couple songs as a guest artist. However, her performance was not reviewed at all by the reviewer who did not mention her at all in the review. She is only listed as a performer on the couple songs to which she contributed. Without any text reviewing her work, this is not in-depth coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
French Anthologies	N	Y	Y	Y	N	This is an independent review in a reliable secondary source. However, the review of Isshiki's performance is only a half sentence long. It's not in-depth enough to constitute significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
www.recordsinternational.com	N	N	Y	N	N	This is the website of a record label selling one its albums. Not independent nor significant. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Total qualifying sources					0	There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements

I am travelling, and busy with other subjects, sorry for a late reply. Thank you for diligent analysis of sources, 4meter4. My issue is that it sees every item only on its own, not in context.

Of course there are, in general, biographies around that were written by the person in question or by a publicity specialist, but in this case I see the things mentioned there (studies in Europe, award, performances, recordings) also supported by trustworthy other references. I also don't see any items in the biography (which is repeated by other sites) that I'd consider far-fetched or sensational claims.

I see a singer performing in high quality and in teams, be it ensemble or with other soloists. I like that approach. I see her performing the lesser-performed music, both old and new, and would like to showcase that instead of deleting it. As John pointed out (below), there are different ways to establish notability according to Wikipedia:Notability (music). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found this Amazon listing which has her credited on all but one track. The main artist seems to be Pascal Dusapin. Then I found that her artist page at Amazon has four albums listed, one of which is under her own name. Here is another listing, from the Ensemble Vocal de Pontoise.Wikipedia:Notability (music) says our benchmarks for a standalone article on a musician include "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." Maguelone (her record label) claims to have released work by Reynaldo Hahn and André Jolivet, who are independently notable, and to have been around since 1993. Overall, (and the coverage of her prize in a major French media source counts too) I think that this artist (just) meets WP:NMG, so I think this is a (fairly weak) keep from me. John (talk) 20:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'm giving this discussion another relisting. But right now, I see no support for deletion other than the nominator.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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