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Archive the DoubleWiki extension
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Soda
Aug 19 2023, 7:50 AM
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Description

Reason
Currently the DoubleWiki extension is unmaintained. The last proper commit was in 2013, and we should/could probably merge the extension into the Wikisource extension and/or be converted into a WMCS tool.

To-do list

    • Figure out what we should merge/convert to a WMCS tool
    • Should we notify Wikisources?
    • Add maintainers of that extension/skin as subscribers to this task (if they have no apparent Phabricator account, notify them on-wiki or via email if possible and note it here).
    • Add Phabricator project as a tag for this task, and remove MediaWiki-extensions-Other/Other-skins as appropriate.
  • On-wiki documentation
    • Archive documentation on mediawiki.org (provide URL): replace page contents with {{Archived extension|last revision id before archiving|task=T######}} (for extensions)/{{Archived skin|last revision|task=T######}} (for skins); replace T###### with this task's number.
    • If documentation page was translatable, remove <translate>, visit Special:PageTranslation, and click "remove from translation" (if you don't have the translation administrator right, ask a user who does).
    • Update Wikidata item (provide URL) associated with documentation page
      • add statement Abandonware (Q281039) to instance of (P31) together with qualifier start time (P580) = the YYYY-MM-DD date that you decided to archive extension/skin (generally per edit history)
      • add qualifier end time (P582) = the YYYY-MM-DD (same date as above) to instance of (P31) = MediaWiki extension (Q6805426)/MediaWiki skin (Q21996535)
  • Phabricator
    • Mark all Phabricator tasks for the extension/skin either Declined or Invalid. Add a comment pointing to this task when doing so for reference.
    • Archive Phabricator project MediaWiki-extensions-DoubleWiki for the extension/skin.
    • Edit Phabricator project MediaWiki-extensions-DoubleWiki description for the extension/skin with a link to this ticket.
  • Translatewiki.net/translations
  • Configuration/tests/integrations/etc.
  • Repositories

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SubjectRepoBranchLines +/-
Unregister DoubleWikimediawiki/extensionsmaster+0 -5
Archive repositorymediawiki/extensions/DoubleWikimaster+1 -10 K
Remove DoubleWikimediawiki/vagrantmaster+0 -5
Zuul: [mediawiki/extensions/DoubleWiki] Mark as archivedintegration/configmaster+4 -5
Rm some more archived repostranslatewikimaster+0 -6
Disable DoubleWiki extension everywhereoperations/mediawiki-configmaster+0 -6
Customize query in gerrit

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 OpenRequestPpperyT344544 Archive the DoubleWiki extension
 ResolvedLadsgroupT351675 Undeploy DoubleWiki

Event Timeline

Soda created this task.Aug 19 2023, 7:50 AM
Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptAug 19 2023, 7:50 AM
Soda added a comment.Aug 19 2023, 7:51 AM

cc @Samwilson @Tpt who are the current maintainers :)

Soda updated the task description. (Show Details)Aug 19 2023, 7:52 AM
Novem_Linguae subscribed.Aug 19 2023, 7:52 AM
Tpt added a comment.Aug 19 2023, 10:36 AM

I am not actively maintaining the extension. I never took the time to try to rewrite it properly. I am fine with undeploying it. Some consultation of the users (frwikisource...) might be nice to avoid a backslash.

Soda added a project: All-and-every-Wikisource.Aug 19 2023, 12:40 PM
Reedy added a project: Community-consensus-needed.Aug 19 2023, 1:10 PM
Xover subscribed.Aug 19 2023, 2:05 PM

Is the proposal here to merge the functionality into the Wikisource extension, or to drop the functionality entirely?

In the former case there is no obvious need for community consensus. Given its age and state of unmaintenance I am not sure just dropping it is an issue for community consensus either, but in that case it would probably be good to go through a period of deprecation, warnings to the communities, helping users to migrate to something else (at the very least to disable any Gadgets depending on it and update community docs and guidance etc.) before turning it off.

Migrating the functionality to a WMCS/Toolforge tool doesn't immediately sound like a good idea to me, but projects that are heavy users of it (are there any? frWS maybe? Did anybody run a mwgrep or similar to try to quantify its actual usage?) might want to try to put something together iff it's going away.

I've never used its functionality in anger, but trying it now on the examples linked in the doc it worked remarkably well for something unmaintained since 2013.

Soda added a project: User-notice.EditedAug 20 2023, 2:12 AM
In T344544#9103741, @Tpt wrote:

I am not actively maintaining the extension. I never took the time to try to rewrite it properly. I am fine with undeploying it. Some consultation of the users (frwikisource...) might be nice to avoid a backslash.

I intend to put out a user notice out in the next Tech News.

In T344544#9103959, @Xover wrote:

Is the proposal here to merge the functionality into the Wikisource extension, or to drop the functionality entirely?

In the former case there is no obvious need for community consensus. Given its age and state of unmaintenance I am not sure just dropping it is an issue for community consensus either, but in that case it would probably be good to go through a period of deprecation, warnings to the communities, helping users to migrate to something else (at the very least to disable any Gadgets depending on it and update community docs and guidance etc.) before turning it off.

I'm open to both approaches, if there is not much community interest, (I know frwikisource and itwikisource use it) we could just kill it. If there is community interest, we could modernise the code (improvements include: moving away from table based formatting and surfacing the links in more prominent locations etc) and merge it into the Wikisource extension.

Migrating the functionality to a WMCS/Toolforge tool doesn't immediately sound like a good idea to me, but projects that are heavy users of it (are there any? frWS maybe? Did anybody run a mwgrep or similar to try to quantify its actual usage?) might want to try to put something together iff it's going away.

Looking at the code, this could easily be a gadget that is used by specific wikis (it is already partially enabled via a gadget). I agree that a toolforge tool might not be the best option, however, these are options via which we could have the same functionality without the added complexity of maintaining a extension.

I've never used its functionality in anger, but trying it now on the examples linked in the doc it worked remarkably well for something unmaintained since 2013.

It definitely works better than I would have expected :)

Amire80 updated the task description. (Show Details)Aug 20 2023, 2:18 AM
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Quiddity moved this task from To Triage to In current Tech/News draft on the User-notice board.Aug 20 2023, 5:38 AM
Soda updated the task description. (Show Details)Aug 20 2023, 10:56 AM
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Ladsgroup awarded a token.Aug 25 2023, 5:58 AM
Ladsgroup subscribed.

I strongly support undeploying this extension. One way to tackle missing functionalities is through gadgets and iframe or a wmcs service. The communities can build that as they see fit.

Peachey88 moved this task from Backlog to delete on the Wikimedia-GitHub board.Aug 26 2023, 6:59 AM
RhinosF1 subscribed.Aug 26 2023, 7:04 AM
Peachey88 moved this task from Untriaged to Archive extensions on the Projects-Cleanup board.Aug 26 2023, 11:44 PM
Nikerabbit moved this task from Backlog to Projects to remove on the translatewiki.net board.Aug 28 2023, 1:58 PM
NightWolf1223 subscribed.Aug 28 2023, 2:12 PM
JAnD subscribed.Aug 28 2023, 4:45 PM

It might be useful tool, if someone knows about existence of it.

Nux subscribed.EditedAug 28 2023, 7:47 PM

The example book looks terrible on my monitor in Vector '22:
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Criton_(trad._Cousin)?match=en

obraz.png (562×974 px, 74 KB)

I believe this feature could be quite useful if the text could be synchronized in some manner, similar to how two-language books are organised. However, I'm unsure if this is really feasible, considering that translated pages wouldn't necessarily align.

For instance, in this particular scenario, the English content has already concluded while the French text still has a few screens to go.

obraz.png (819×976 px, 99 KB)

In the current state, it seems more practical to open two pages in separate browser windows. On Windows, you can achieve this by using [Windows]+[Left arrow].

Quiddity moved this task from In current Tech/News draft to Already announced/Archive on the User-notice board.Aug 31 2023, 9:53 PM
Kizule moved this task from Backlog to Cleanup / Archival on the Diffusion-Repository-Administrators board.Sep 11 2023, 3:49 AM
Ladsgroup added a comment.Oct 4 2023, 10:41 AM

Next week I'm going to disable the extension.

gerritbot added a comment.Oct 13 2023, 10:47 AM

Change 965707 had a related patch set uploaded (by Ladsgroup; author: Amir Sarabadani):

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Disable DoubleWiki extension everywhere

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/965707

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.Oct 13 2023, 10:47 AM
gerritbot added a comment.Oct 16 2023, 2:01 PM

Change 965707 merged by jenkins-bot:

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Disable DoubleWiki extension everywhere

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/965707

Stashbot added a comment.Oct 16 2023, 2:02 PM

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2023-10-16T14:02:13Z] <ladsgroup@deploy2002> Started scap: Backport for [[gerrit:965707|Disable DoubleWiki extension everywhere (T344544)]]

Stashbot added a comment.Oct 16 2023, 2:03 PM

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2023-10-16T14:03:27Z] <ladsgroup@deploy2002> ladsgroup: Backport for [[gerrit:965707|Disable DoubleWiki extension everywhere (T344544)]] synced to the testservers (https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mwdebug)

Stashbot added a comment.Oct 16 2023, 2:10 PM

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2023-10-16T14:10:22Z] <ladsgroup@deploy2002> Finished scap: Backport for [[gerrit:965707|Disable DoubleWiki extension everywhere (T344544)]] (duration: 08m 09s)

Maintenance_bot removed a project: Patch-For-Review.Oct 16 2023, 2:12 PM
Ladsgroup added a comment.Nov 20 2023, 12:44 PM

Since there is no objection has been made for more than a month, I'll start the process of undeploying and archiving the extension.

Ladsgroup closed subtask T351675: Undeploy DoubleWiki as Resolved.Nov 23 2023, 4:02 PM
Aklapper renamed this task from Merge, undeploy, and archive the DoubleWiki extension to Archive the DoubleWiki extension.Nov 23 2023, 4:57 PM
Pppery removed projects: Community-consensus-needed, All-and-every-Wikisource.May 1 2024, 9:23 PM
Pppery updated the task description. (Show Details)May 30 2024, 3:47 PM
gerritbot added a comment.May 30 2024, 3:51 PM

Change #1037562 had a related patch set uploaded (by Pppery; author: Pppery):

[mediawiki/extensions/DoubleWiki@master] Archive repository

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1037562

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.May 30 2024, 3:51 PM
Pppery claimed this task.May 30 2024, 3:56 PM
gerritbot added a comment.May 30 2024, 4:03 PM

Change #1037564 had a related patch set uploaded (by Pppery; author: Pppery):

[translatewiki@master] Rm some more archived repos

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1037564

gerritbot added a comment.May 30 2024, 4:11 PM

Change #1037569 had a related patch set uploaded (by Pppery; author: Pppery):

[integration/config@master] Mark some repos as archived

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1037569

Pppery updated the task description. (Show Details)May 30 2024, 7:50 PM
Pppery updated the task description. (Show Details)
Pppery mentioned this in T30865: manual synchronisation points.
Pppery mentioned this in T211314: Make Wikisource DoubleWiki.js script part of the DoubleWiki extension.
Pppery mentioned this in T252524: Replace inline CSS style attributes with a proper CSS module in DoubleWiki.
Pppery mentioned this in T323965: DoubleWiki assumes the OutputPageBeforeHTML hook is only executed once per page view.
Pppery updated the task description. (Show Details)
gerritbot added a comment.May 30 2024, 8:04 PM

Change #1037564 merged by jenkins-bot:

[translatewiki@master] Rm some more archived repos

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1037564

gerritbot added a comment.Jun 3 2024, 1:21 PM

Change #1038302 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester; author: Pppery):

[integration/config@master] Zuul: [mediawiki/extensions/DoubleWiki] Mark as archived

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1038302

gerritbot added a comment.Jun 4 2024, 1:28 PM

Change #1038302 merged by jenkins-bot:

[integration/config@master] Zuul: [mediawiki/extensions/DoubleWiki] Mark as archived

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1038302

Stashbot added a comment.Jun 4 2024, 1:31 PM

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-releng) [2024-06-04T13:31:43Z] <James_F> Zuul: [mediawiki/extensions/DoubleWiki] Mark as archived, for T344544

Pppery updated the task description. (Show Details)Jun 4 2024, 4:31 PM
gerritbot added a comment.Jun 4 2024, 4:35 PM

Change #1038868 had a related patch set uploaded (by Pppery; author: Pppery):

[mediawiki/vagrant@master] Remove DoubleWiki

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1038868

Pppery mentioned this in T315812: DoubleWiki has no PHPUnit tests.Jun 4 2024, 4:37 PM
gerritbot added a comment.Jun 4 2024, 8:39 PM

Change #1038868 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/vagrant@master] Remove DoubleWiki

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1038868

Pppery updated the task description. (Show Details)Jun 4 2024, 8:40 PM
gerritbot added a comment.Jun 10 2024, 6:09 PM

Change #1037562 merged by Jforrester:

[mediawiki/extensions/DoubleWiki@master] Archive repository

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1037562

Jdforrester-WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)Jun 10 2024, 6:10 PM
Pppery removed a project: Patch-For-Review.Jun 14 2024, 11:25 PM
gerritbot added a comment.Jul 10 2024, 9:16 AM

Change #1053255 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester; author: Jforrester):

[mediawiki/extensions@master] Unregister DoubleWiki

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1053255

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.Jul 10 2024, 9:16 AM

Change #1053255 merged by Jforrester:

[mediawiki/extensions@master] Unregister DoubleWiki

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1053255

Jdforrester-WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)Jul 10 2024, 9:18 AM
Pppery updated the task description. (Show Details)Jul 13 2024, 12:48 AM
Pppery removed a project: Patch-For-Review.
Pppery updated the task description. (Show Details)Sep 18 2024, 5:29 PM

Only thing left to do is archive the Diffusion repo.

Novem_Linguae unsubscribed.Sep 19 2024, 12:42 AM
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