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Newton's cradle

junior 588

What happened is that I provided Acyclonxe with signature code at the Teahouse. junior 588 obviously saw it and entered as their signature. —teb728 t c 11:25, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have redacted the signature code and fixed junior's bad signature in the Teahouse. —teb728 t c 11:54, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Query

I have a Question somebody keeps on reverting my edits ...help me plzz(junior 588 talk contribs 14:55, 9 January 2019 (UTC))[reply]

@Junior 588: Hello. For these three edits, you added "City" to the parameter "native name", where the native name of that town is not "City", so it has been reverted. In case you don't know, foreign language names are allowed in the native name parameter. If you don't understand what is "native name", you can search Oxford Dictionary of native here and name here. Remember to read policies and editing guidelines of Wikipedia. Happy editing! ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 15:05, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Political Synergy listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Political Synergy. Since you had some involvement with the Political Synergy redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. PamD 13:20, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Update content of PCCW

Hi,

What do I need to update the description of the PCCW page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nashmanhk (talk • contribs) 07:10, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I think you mean how you should update the description. Verifiability is one of the most important policies of Wikipedia, that is, All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed. Moreover, the material you added to the page appears to be promotional which violates the neutral point of view policy. More info left on your talk page. Regards, ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 07:15, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How about I keep the first paragraph in the lead and update the rest under the main business? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nashmanhk (talk • contribs) 09:44, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. It's totally acceptable if you provide factual, verifiable content with well written English supported by reliable sources. It must also be written in a neutral point of view as mentioned above. I would suggest you to read various policies listed in the collapse box below and Help:Getting started. If you have any questions, feel free to visit the Teahouse. I'm an semi-active host there and many friendly, experienced Wikipedians can help you with any problems. Happy editing! ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 12:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

03:17:01, 13 January 2019 review of submission by KGFIRM


Keith Goatley 03:17, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 3, 2019)

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Vicki Gunvalson

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Could you spare some time to help me?

I would appreciate your expertise. Could you help me make my article better? More to WIKI standards? Its my second article and I am still learning. I made the changes you requested. Please feel free if you have time to edit and change things directly on the page. You are a genius at this..and I humbly ask for your help.

Silvia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Laura_Liguori — Preceding unsigned comment added by SilviaTRE388 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Draft rejection error

You notified the wrong person. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:53, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New page reviewer granted

Hi Abelmoschus Esculentus. Your account has been added to the "New page reviewers" user group. Minor user rights can now be accorded on a time limited or probationary period, so do check back at WP:PERM/NPR in case this concerns your application. This user group allows you to review new pages through the Curation system and mark them as patrolled, tag them for maintenance issues, or nominate them for deletion. The list of articles awaiting review is located at the New Pages Feed. New page reviewing is vital to maintaining the integrity of the encylopedia. If you have not already done so, you must read the tutorial at New Pages Review, the linked guides and essays, and fully understand the deletion policy. If you need any help or want to discuss the process, you are welcome to use the new page reviewer talk page. In addition, please remember:

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Problems with Handy Backup draft page

Hello! Thank you for the list of articles that you submitted to me for training on the Handy Backup page.

Unfortunately, I still do not understand what I am doing wrong. I removed all references to Handy Backup, reminiscent of commercial use, and quoted only information from reputable and authoritative sources, such as PCMag and PCWorld magazines. This information contains both laudatory and critical opinions. I also wrote all facts about Handy Backup in a neutral tone.

I ask for your advice. How else can I improve my article about Handy Backup?

Best regards, Loonieeex (talk) 09:40, 14 January 2019 (UTC)Loonieeex[reply]

@Loonieeex: I did not submit anything to you. Is this an error or something? Do you have any major connection to the subject? ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 09:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #347

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • Structured data for Commons: multilingual captions are deployed on Commons on January 10th (documentation)
    • The Wikidata Query Service has been encountering some data corruption issues that impact the results you can see when running a query. Some may still be running. You can check the current ticket for more updates.
    • New dashboard for percentage of pages on a Wikimedia project make use of data from Wikidata (doesn't include sitelinks, doesn't include Commons file and category pages for now)
    • Science Stories, a project highlighting women in sciences, uses Wikidata
  • Development
    • Solving an issue that blocked deployments over the past weeks (phab:T212427)
    • Improved the visual appearance of glosses (phab:T207401)
    • Fixing problems with reverting Sense addition (phab:T211438)
    • Improving our Javascript to be more standard (phab:T210744)
    • Working on performing more constraint type checks in PHP before falling back to SPARQL (phab:T209504)
    • Making the query service logo and favicon configurable in one's own Wikibase (phab:T212210)
    • More work on displaying the termbox on mobile (phab:T207150)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


Great script!

The da Vinci Barnstar
Your SATG script is amazing! I have one small quibble, which is the use of "required" for the justifications: users may assume those fields are required in a technical sense for the template to work without error, which is not the case, and I don't want to accidentally discourage use through that assumption. In fact, justifications aren't even "required" in a guideline sense, just highly recommended. But otherwise, what a great tool to make it easier to use the source assess templates! —swpbT • go beyond • bad idea 17:40, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Swpb: Thank you very much! Glad that you like it. These kind of user scripts are very easy to make. I changed “required” to “available”, but actually you can just leave them blank and the script will still work :) ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 23:19, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! —swpbT • go beyond • bad idea 13:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2019-03

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can now use Google Translate in the content translation tool. [1][2]
  • You can now add captions to files on Commons. Captions are short descriptions of the file. They can be translated to all languages we use. They can't use wikitext markup.
  • Earlier a quoted HTML attribute had to be followed by a space. Now it doesn't. This means that some pages could look different when you save them even if you didn't edit that part of the text. [3][4]
  • Advanced item Templates with <templatestyles> could not show the difference between the live template and the sandbox version when they were tested. This has now been fixed. <templatestyles> has a new wrapper parameter now. You can use it for selectors like .mw-parser-output <wrapper parameter value> <selector from CSS page>. [5]

Problems

  • When you see an edit in the recent changes feed or in the history of a page some of them have tags. Some tags are added automatically. You can also add tags manually. Tags for edits that have been added manually can be edited. This didn't work for a little while. This has now been fixed. [6]

Changes later this week

  • You can move files from your wiki to Wikimedia Commons and keep the file history with the new FileExporter. It will be a beta feature on all wikis from 16 January. If you want to test it you activate it and check your wiki's configuration file.
  • Users who could cause more damage to the wikis if someone took over their account have to have more secure passwords. This includes administrators and other user groups. They can't use passwords that are in a list of common passwords. Accounts with common passwords are easy to take over. The list of common passwords was made longer a few weeks ago and has a different error message. Some user groups have been added to those who can't use common passwords. This is to protect all accounts with user rights that could cause damage. [7]
  • Advanced item The AbuseFilter variable minor_edit has been removed. It was deprecated in 2016. Now you can't use it. You can fix the filters using it. You can find them if you use the search bar on Special:AbuseFilter.
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 15 17:54, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

00:55:27, 15 January 2019 review of submission by SilviaTRE388


SilviaTRE388 (talk) 00:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC) Hi, I made the changes you requested. Could you help me to make my addition more of Wiki standards? This is only my second article and still learning. Please feel free, if you could spare the time, to make any changes directly. I know you are busy and I really appreciate your help. Not many people have the skills that you editors have! Much appreciated.[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Laura_Liguori

Sil

Adopt me please

Hello Abelmoschus Esculentus I've been directed by many or several media reportes which told that Wikipedia is active in removing vandalism I first came here looking at your user page.Ithink you are a great user because of a formal message at adopt a user program, I'm still learning and trying to grasp all those things given in my user talk comment and I look forward to you adopting me to remove and counter vandalism.thanks and best wishes!!!!! Erekmeko el espanoi (talk) 16:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Erekmeko el espanoi and welcome to Wikipedia! If you wish to learn reverting vandalism only, you may join the Counter Vandalism Unit Academy and find a mentor instead. However, I will still adopt and help you as much as possible if you still want a mentor. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or visit the Teahouse / Help Desk. Cheers ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 06:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fotoflexer shut down

The reason I added the bit about Fotoflexer being shut down is because it IS shut down, and has been since early December. This is more than just a technical glitch. Take a look for yourself:

http://fotoflexer.com/Normal/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:C31F:FAD1:71D3:3880:685E:A225 (talk) 05:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the message I have left on your talk page. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 05:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Christian anarchists by denomination has been nominated for discussion

Category:Christian anarchists by denomination, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. czar 21:57, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 4, 2019)

A view of the Quetschenfest street fair in the community of Geichlingen, Germany
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Street fair

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Wikidata weekly summary #348

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Fixed a small bug that we introduced with editing badges on wd.org (phab:T213998)
    • Finished collecting data about the user of the termbox (phab:T211015)
    • Fixed an i18n message (phab:T206416)
    • Created some maintenance scripts for creating and approving oauth consumers (phab:T211568)
    • Checked for possible data coruptions due to an issue with change tags (phab:T213281)
    • Fixed an issue with restoring merge revisions in Lexeme (phab:T204041)
    • Configured WikibaseQualityConstraints on test.wikidata (phab:T209922)
    • Turned on the new entity id formatting for properties (phab:T201838)
    • Continued work on glosses, displaying the language name also in edit mode (phab:T209931)
    • Starting investigating on Shape Expressions
    • Mobile termbox: showing language, description and aliases (phab:T207150)

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Tech News: 2019-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

  • Some people did not get last week's issue of Tech News. This was because of a problem with MassMessage. If you did not get last week's issue, you can read it on Meta. [8]

Recent changes

  • The content translation tool can now use version 2 as the default version for users who turned on the beta feature. For example it adds the tracking category Pages with unreviewed translations to translations that might have used machine translations without fixing the problems. This is so others can find them. You can find this category in Special:TrackingCategories on Wikipedias.
  • https://mediawiki2latex-large.wmflabs.org can now convert collects of up to 800 pages to PDF, EPUB or ODT. Previously this was 200 pages.

Problems

  • When a template was edited with the visual editor, it would sometimes put all information on one line. This makes it difficult to read for editors who use the wikitext editor. It also makes it more difficult to see what happened in a diff. This problem affected edits made between 8 and 17 January and is now fixed. [9]
  • MassMessage is used to post a message to many pages. It has not been working reliably. Some messages have not been posted to everyone. [10][11]
  • Because of a database problem that had to be fixed immediately you could not edit most wikis for a couple of minutes on 17 January (UTC). This has now been fixed. [12]

Changes later this week

  • You will be able to use template styles in the Module namespace. [13]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 January. It will be on all wikis from 24 January (calendar).

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20:34, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Tags manager

Hey. Just wanted to let you know that I copied this script from this script so that I could use your visual interface, cause I don't really know how to make one. Also, I might copy your new SATG for something else... is this okay? --DannyS712 (talk) 22:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes sure! ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 09:03, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can't work out how to leave a source - but here it is: http://www.icanw.org/why-a-ban/positions/

If these items are going to be taken down I will stop adding them. Just let me know. Sorry - have tried to find out how to leave a source or add a reference but it is not clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.211.250.136 (talk) 10:15, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey anon, it is appropriate to update/add content, but they must be supported by reliable sources per our verifiability policy. See WP:CS and WP:RFB for instructions. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 10:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also, you MUST rephrase the material and not just copy the exact words used in the source. --Khajidha (talk) 10:23, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

HG?!

Why U link to the ru:Дрифтерная катастрофа reverted as "HG"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.218.1.77 (talk) 11:48, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well it stands for Huggle, an software which is designed for dealing with vandalism. My edit summary was "remove". ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 11:49, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
why it is a vandalism? it is link for the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.218.1.77 (talk) 11:58, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I did not say your edit was vandalism, just adding cross-wiki links in the body of an article is inappropriate. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 12:01, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
it is the link for the existing wikipedia article, and it is appropriate for those who do not want to wait for a while the article will be written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.218.1.77 (talk) 03:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, English Wikipedia is not Russian Wikipedia. We cannot assume our readers can read Russian and tell them to read the article on Russian Wikipedia while there's none in English Wikipedia. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 03:12, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia article of Atty. Pangalian Balindong

Just updated my references for the Wikipedia article of Atty. Pangalian M. Balindong. Hoping for your kind consideration. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bint Amir Ali (talk • contribs) 14:04, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BITE

Re: [14], I didn't expect from you. Cleanup tagging within minutes of creation can discourage new users. Don't bite the newcomers. Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 14:26, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Siddiqsazzad001, you do realize that the person who created that article has almost 1800 edits and has been editing since 2007. Not really a newcomer. ~ GB fan 14:31, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@GB fan: As per of knowledge and perspectives. The better way is leaving a massage "Ways to improve" by page curation process. Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 14:49, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Siddiqsazzad001, sorry, I do not understand what you mean by "As per of knowledge and perspectives." as it is not a sentence. I thought what was added to the article was the way to improve it, add sources. ~ GB fan 15:03, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IRC cloak

Hi, you might like to request a Wikipedia/Wikimedia cloak for the help channel: Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help#Cloaks, meta:IRC/Cloaks ~ ToBeFree (talk) 04:21, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@ToBeFree: I have already requested it a week ago. Cheers ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (alt) (talk to me) 09:16, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How Do I Know If My Article Has Been Approved?

How will I know if the article I am trying to create has been approved? Right now I am trying to create one, but it saying it is on my user page. Will I receive an email or do I just have to keep checking back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leahernandez1 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't submit your draft then it won't be approved and published. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 04:23, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

message for Abelmoschus Esculentus. How to add the citations.. a bit confused after trying to load regards Seav

Re: Renaissance Hotels Ive tried to add citations and sources but im obviously doing something wrong in the process. When i add the web link it seem to not connect. Any assistance would be kindly appreciated regards Seav — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torng Seav (talk • contribs) 02:45, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:CS and WP:WINARS. You closed the <ref> with "/ref>" instead of "</ref>", so it appears to be broken. Please do not cite Wikipedia as it is not considered as an reliable source. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 04:28, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

citatons help

Thank you for your help with citations.

Confuse about conflict of interest with stouffer? please help me understand what the issue is there Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.213.60.191 (talk) 03:56, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I don't understand what you are saying. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 06:06, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The named reference $1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Hello I added the google web links to the stouffer's page.. which verifies the sentence, however now this comment was made ...The named reference $1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page). ... Im trying to follow everyones advice. How can i correct it thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torng Seav (talk • contribs) 04:48, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed Please don't mess up again. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 06:08, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help me with this

Abelmoschus Esculentus First, if I decide to stay around I might take you up on your offer to create user info boxes. The reason I write is that I received this notice from User talk:Lien Shan as follows:

"I'm sorry, but your edit:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/877475444[15]

makes unexpected results in:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Assault_Signal_Company#Operations[16]

Can You take a look at this? Thank You"

I looked at it and could find nothing wrong. All I did with my edit was to arrange the units numerically, doing so created no problems with the Heading Operations.

I tried to ask them on their talk page and there was not much there except a warning from you. Is this critique legimitate? If it is I would like to correct it?Oldperson (talk) 17:28, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 5, 2019)

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Assassination attempts

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Previous selections: Street fair • Vicki Gunvalson

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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 2

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (January 2019).

Hello everyone and welcome to the second issue of the new Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Miscellaneous

  • There was a recent village pump thread about either Enterprisey's or Equazcion's "Script Installer" tool becoming a gadget. It wasn't officially closed, and so far neither has become a gadget. Stay tuned for updates.


Lets keep up the good work! --DannyS712 (talk) 03:09, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My submission was declined because of inadequate reliable sources. Can you help me out in highlighting the errors, i have made.

My submission was declined because of inadequate reliable sources.  Can you help me out in highlighting the errors, i have made.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apsmile (talk • contribs) 12:15, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Welp I have already done so :) ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 12:23, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #349

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Started development on Shape Expressions
    • Termbox: show an expanded-by-default section for the user's preferred languages (phab:T211865)
    • Provide visualization LUA usage on a dashboard (phab:T211768)
    • Fixed issues with sense ID wrapping (phab:T210502)
    • Background work to support the deployment of the next pieces for Structured Data on Commons

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Tech News: 2019-05

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Problems

  • When someone moves a page to a name that already exists that page that had the name the article is moved to is deleted. For a couple of months this didn't always work. Some users saw an error message instead. This has now been fixed. [17]

Changes later this week

  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

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18:15, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Page - Chhota Shakeel

This article needs to be edited by an administrator as it being vandalised and deliberate attempts are being made to subdue factual information published.I am a journalist and these articles conform that the subject's article should be moved to non-living people biographies.Please help.Why have you undone reliable edits which have cited sources? http://www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Editorial_10/Organised-Crime-and-International-Politics-in-Asia.shtml https://www.opednews.com/articles/Mumbai-s-Dreaded-Underworl-by-Rob-Williamson-Gangsters_Secret-Empire_Secret-Ops-181212-603.html 202.134.172.85 (talk) 03:25, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jean Gabin World War II action (errors in article)

Hello Abelmoschus Esculents, The article on Jean Gabin has two errors concerning his service with the Free French during World War II. 1) He did not, as stated, "fight with the Allies in North Africa." He was based in Algiers training recruits of the Fusiliers Marins before being assigned to a tank regiment. There was no combat involved. 2) He did not participate in the liberation of Paris. Due to bureaucratic snafus, he was not with his regiment when it landed in Normandy on August 3, 1944 and then went on to Paris. Gabin arrived in France in October 1944 and was sent to eastern France to aid American troops in mopping up operations. After that his outfit joined the Allied forces assaulting the Royan Pocket from January to April 1945. His last action was mopping up in Bavaria, ending with Allied occupation of Hitler's Eagle's Nest, three days before Germany surrendered. So I suggest the "World War II action" section be reworded to reflect the facts as related in André Brunelin's definitive biography, "Gabin" (1987) and in Patrick Glâtre's authoritative "Jean Moncorgé Gabin Acteur de la Liberation de Royan" (2015), not to mention my own "Jean Gabin: The Actor Who Was France" (2018).Wordcobbler (talk) 10:43, 29 January 2019 (UTC)Wordcobbler January 29, 2019[reply]

@Wordcobbler: Do you have reliable sources to backup your claim? If yes, you may edit the page by yourself, as I'm not interested and familiar with this topic. Please make sure it doesn't break anything and complies to our policies. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 12:15, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Would love if someone could help me understand how deleting BLP's of people who don't meet the "notability" guidelines makes Wikipedia "better"

I would love to understand this. From where I stand this practice looks to be fraught with problems.

Just to be precise, this isn't an issue of trying to understand why articles that suffer from verifiability issues are deleted. I understand very clearly the interest in preventing abuse of this resource. Prevention of abuse of the space is paramount in preserving credibility. Without evidence of abuse it can begin to feel like cruelty, a high standard simply for the sake of having a high standard. Another term for this could be elitism. What I don't understand is how less information (in this case, deemed non-notable) here helps anyone. Is this an issue of limited space?

"Notability" used in this context begins to look a lot like arbiters determining what is deserving of attention. Seems like it could get very personal, very quickly. In fact, I don't see any scenario where it isn't personal. Different events, subjects, and people are significant in different ways to a great many different people. So how does labeling something as not meeting "notability" criteria differ from de-legitimizing or devaluing something which might be of critical importance to someone who doesn't share your same viewpoint?

Often, when I use this resource, I begin in one place and go on a ride, connecting people to one another, sometimes across generations, to better understand how group efforts can result in a larger change. In the interest of this kind of use, the more people that are included, and have a page, even if the information there is partial, the better, with no upper limit.

If that's not what this resource is here for, so be it. Please help me understand why? If anyone feels inclined to offer a thoughtful answer, I thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Primniple (talk • contribs) 01:58, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Primniple: Here's my take of it. Wikipedia is the 5th most popular website on the Internet according to Alexa as well as the largest online encyclopedia in the world, meaning that majority of people do research or gather information in here. A good way to ensure that the information/content is correct is by looking at the sources. Subjects that are significantly covered by multiple secondary, independent sources are notable. We trust that information provided by reliable sources (such as bbc, university press) are correct, and writing an article based on those sources guarantees that the content is factual but not some random gossip, perpetuating hoaxes or indiscriminate collection of information. The existence of secondary sources also certifies that the content adheres to the neutral point of view policy. In contrast, non-notable people are generally not significantly covered by reliable sources, maybe just mere mentions. These scraps of information can only be used to write a short paragraph or definition of the topic, which implies that they are not qualified for an standalone article. The notability guideline also applies to BLPs. Not everyone (including non-notable ones, like you and me) deserves an article, not because of limited server space or "they exist". Of course arbitrariness is inevitable when determining notability, but we have several essays and guidelines that have detailed information and instructions for us to refer to when assessing notability. However, when a few experienced editors thinks the topic is not notable, it usually is indeed non-notable.
Regarding "How does labeling something as not meeting "notability" criteria differ from de-legitimizing or devaluing something which might be of critical importance to someone who doesn't share your same viewpoint?", we all have different viewpoints and opinions, but does your opinion outweigh others'? That's why WP:NPOV exists. Everyone can claim that their mother or whatsoever is critically important to them, but does the rest of the world thinks so? That is a very common mistake of newcomers. When determining notability, we need to stand in a neutral position without personal bias. For "how deleting BLP's of people who don't meet the "notability" guidelines makes Wikipedia "better"", it does. By doing so, we can remove possible hoaxes or incorrect information, since they inevitably lack reliable sources. That's why they're non-notable, isn't it? What matters the most is the quality, not quantity. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 12:11, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Primniple: In addition to all of the above excellent points, I would add one more. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, and anyone and everyone does, sometimes stupidly or maliciously or just badly. Particularly where articles are created about living people of relatively minor notability, there is a substantial risk that, however many years later, the article will be turned into an attack piece, a place for their ex-partner (business or personal) to list their gripes, or just an unduly negative article that causes serious problems for an ordinary person who is just trying to get on with their life and may have moved on from the events described many decades ago. This can happen to people who were in a rock band of no particular note for a few years a long time ago, people who were unsuccessful candidates for some election or other, people who were trying to start up a business and a friend "helped out" by creating a Wikipedia article to promote them, and so on. Without strong guidelines on notability, we would have tens of millions of these articles instead of the perhaps few hundred thousand that we have. And almost every time it goes wrong for whatever reason, we get this kind of thing, which causes great distress for whatever semi-notable person is involved (and perhaps their family too), and a significant amount of extra work and stress for volunteer Wikipedia editors and (sometimes) paid WMF employees. There are a great many times I have seen the subjects of articles themselves request that the article about them is deleted, sometimes even after it was they themselves that created it! That's after things go bad. Bad articles that should never have existed in the first place caused problems constantly, even just now I am watching this mess (no suggestion that he created the article himself), you can see the upset and outrage that the subject of the article quite rightly feels. MPS1992 (talk) 21:18, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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15:58:44, 2 February 2019 review of submission by Andrewminton


Checking to see why the IMDB.com cite of Christmas Joy and Hope at Christmas credits as the novelist on these two Hallmark movies is not correct. I'm trying to get Ms. Naigle's wikipedia page up and approved. It's still in review from what I can see, but I did see your note that this was an incorrect citing.

Any help or guidance is much appreciated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nancy_Naigle

Andrew


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A typical Finnish school meal lunch, served free of charge to all pupils.
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I don't know why this content keeps being edited, but what's on there is incorrect. Soul Intent wasn't formed in 1989, Vitamin C. IS Caucasian Pimp, V Top and Delirious D. weren't members and Stezo didn't do anything with any form of the groups. I'm D.J. Butter Fingers, the reason there is any actual correct info on this page is because I put it there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40E:101:8AC9:B4CC:614C:948C:B8CF (talk) 01:32, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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US request

Do you take User Script Requests? Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:28, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Thegooduser: Yes, I’ll try my best, but I am only a mediocre JS programmer :( ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (alt) (talk to me) 02:45, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mind making a script for this for when I click down on the More Menu there will be a section labeled "Username Shared" and when you click on it, it will automatically make this message appear

==Username Warning==

[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hi there and [[WP:WELCOME|Welcome to Wikipedia]]! I noticed that your username '[[User:{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>BASEPAGENAME}}|{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>BASEPAGENAME}}]]' may imply shared use, please note that Wikipedia accounts can only be used by one person,and promotional editing is not acceptable regardless of the username you choose. If you think I made a mistake, please leave a note explaining why, otherwise you may request a username change at [[WP:CHANGEUSERNAME|Here.]] Thanks! ~~~~

(the script was from here.) Thanks! :-) Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:49, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! I’ll make it ASAP when I’m back home. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (alt) (talk to me) 04:26, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Thegooduser:  Done - copy and paste importScript('User:Abelmoschus Esculentus/UISU.js'); //Linkback: [[User:Abelmoschus Esculentus/UISU.js]] to your common.js. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 09:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! :-) !Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 23:54, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

12:46:08, 4 February 2019 review of submission by LUTIFM


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Hey, was wondering why my page was rejected? Is there anything that can be done to fix this? LUTIFM (talk) 12:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please read my comment. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 04:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikidata weekly summary #350

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A little more care with Huggle please

Hi, can you just take a little more care when reverting edits using Huggle. This while it removed some sub-optimal material re-introduced an uncited BLP issue (almost certain vandalism) regarding the subject. So please check the diffs before reverting especially if you are going to revert several edits, sometimes it's better to do things manually. Thanks, Nthep (talk) 17:04, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nthep: Sorry. My trigger happiness needs cure once again. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 04:00, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
we've all been there! Thanks. Nthep (talk) 08:55, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion Closer

Resolved
 – Another tick here. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 07:48, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your new script. It looks great. Can I offer some feedback? If not, feel free to ignore the rest of this message:

  1. The options at the bottom are either "edit" or "close"; edit closes the discussion, while close closes the interface. Can I suggest renaming these to "Close the discussion" and "Cancel" or something similar?
  2. Can you detect if a discussion is already closed? See this edit for example.
  3. Once its "done" closing, when you close the interface, can you have it reload the page to see the result?

Thanks, and thanks for the great script either way. --DannyS712 (talk) 20:13, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The da Vinci Barnstar
Thanks for making the discussion closer script! I really wanted a script that could do that! SemiHypercube 01:03, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker)...but again, there is room for improvement, with what DannyS712 said above. Additionally, the interface needs to be higher up on the screen (or have less height), on a screen with less height the buttons at the bottom are out of reach unless you zoom out in your browser. Again, nice script! Ah, the stuff you know from talkpage stalking. SemiHypercube 01:03, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Good for you! ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 04:07, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't tried the script yet, but I saw it in action on ANI and have to ask - can you please put the section link in the edit summary? Bradv🍁 01:10, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  1.  Done
  2.  Doing...  Done
  3.  Done
Screenshot of Discussion Closer taken inside Chrome ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs)
  • @SemiHypercube: Thanks for your barnstar! Which browser are you using? I only tested this script on Firefox.
I use Chrome. SemiHypercube 22:04, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SemiHypercube: It looks fine to me. See --> ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 08:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I typically use a laptop, which has a shorter height screen than desktop. SemiHypercube 03:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SemiHypercube: Me too. I have moved it up a bit [19]. See if it looks good to you. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 03:17, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Yes It works now, though it could be a little higher, to make the buttons a little easier to see and to make it look nicer. SemiHypercube 03:24, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If it is moved higher then it would be too high for me You may read a larger part of the discussion while typing your comment in the form at the bottom. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 03:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Bradv🍁 03:38, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just saw it in action - I believe if you just use the code /* Section name */ at the beginning of the summary you can avoid the extra wikilink. Then when clicking the link in diff view it wouldn't reload the page, and would appear like all other edits in watchlists, etc. Is that possible? Bradv🍁 03:48, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done See Special:Diff/882147438 :) ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 03:51, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Beautiful. :) Bradv🍁 03:54, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SemiHypercube: Well crud - I was going to give AE a barnstar...
1 more piece of feedback: can you add keyboard shortcuts? (Control-enter for closing, esc for cancel?)
Check out lines 211 through 218 at User:DannyS712/Cat links 3.js for demo code.
Thanks, and thanks so much for incorporating my ideas above. --DannyS712 (talk) 07:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I seldom use keyboard shortcuts except for Huggle. Your suggestions are brilliant as well ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 07:24, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Abelmoschus Esculentus: Also, can you enable it at WP:ITN/C? Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 06:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DannyS712:  Done More ticks! ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 07:48, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Nihlus:  Done ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 12:10, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Abelmoschus Esculentus: Not sure what caused it, but the bottom half of the edit summary part (on the interface) is cut off, and I can't figure out a way to expand the view. Also, can I suggest an option to disable it on user talk pages? --DannyS712 (talk) 07:26, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well this is my talk page, so no need to ping me :)
 Done I have shrunk the textarea and the edit summary part will be raised up a bit. Does it look good for you now?
Users can still close discussions on user talk pages. It does no harm if someone accidentally clicks into the link. Why would you suggest this? ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 07:40, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It works, thought you shrunk it a lot more than needed :). I suggested it because I don't see a need for it, though I agree that there is no harm in having it there --DannyS712 (talk) 07:43, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DannyS712: Sometimes it is useful for closing dramas on user talk pages (I've seen a lot, and not only WP:ANI has drama) and sometimes situations like this. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 07:57, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the "generic (blue)" option closes it with a purple template - see lines 56-57 of the copy, which determine which template is used. Just FYI --DannyS712 (talk) 20:33, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DannyS712:  Done Yikes! ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 02:38, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just came across this thread and installed the script; it's awesome, nice job! Sorry to pile on to the list of suggestions, but wonder if it would be possible to have a preview option, so that one could preview what the closed discussion would look like before saving? I think this would be useful at times. Thanks, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 03:04, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SkyGazer 512: I'll try. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 03:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Of course, no worries if you can't. :)--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 03:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No u ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 03:56, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SkyGazer 512:  Done - Added preview feature ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 05:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Abelmoschus Esculentus: It works! But, any chance you can make the display wider when its in preview mode? --DannyS712 (talk) 05:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Does that look too narrow to you? I'm comfortable reading it. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 05:25, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, looks great!--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 15:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A brownie for you!

Thanks for the great user scripts you make. DannyS712 (talk) 07:32, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DannyS712: I afraid I don't understand what you mean, but thanks for the brownie ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 07:37, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Typo fixed (create -> great) --DannyS712 (talk) 07:38, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 07:39, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A problem editor

I'm not sure how to help this editor.[20] It's bad enough they are adding unsourced material, now they are deleting sources. Doug Weller talk 08:28, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: I have left a note on their talk page and I'm about to violate WP:3RR :( ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 09:01, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And I've told them to stop editing and start responding if they don't want to end up blocked. A bit more politely than that. Doug Weller talk 09:04, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of ITPC (Indonesian Trade Promotion Centre) a non-profit Government Organization

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A tag has been placed on ITPC (Indonesian Trade Promotion Centre) a non-profit Government Organization, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Daiyusha (talk) 08:52, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know you can G11 redirects! ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 08:59, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

17:13:42, 9 February 2019 review of submission by Hawaiiaces

I have submitted an article for publication. It is about myself and my career in tennis. The article was denied because it lacked citations? or sources? I am not sure what sources are needed for to establish my NCAA record, or my awards from the USPTA. They are all available on NCAA and USPTA Websites. Should I like the links to those websites as sources? My time coaching top players in China is also well established and I could get letters of confirmation but am not sure what is being asked for and why? This is my first submission and is a result of multiple requests to have my record and career on Wikipedia by a number of people within and without the tennis industry. Willing to do what it takes just such a novice that I need help. Thank you for you time. I go to Hong Kong once or twice a year and was there in December and will be again in May doing Coaching clinics and certifications. I worked with Zheng Jie during the Watson's Water Challenge a number of years ago when she was there playing against the likes of Venus and Serena Williams, Kim Clisjters, Lindsay Davenport, etc. That is not listed in my article but I could get tennis people from Hong Kong to verify that if it would help to verify anything else that I have in my article. Thanks again. Hawaiiaces (talk) 17:13, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Hawaiiaces: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! The article was declined mostly because it is unreferenced, which is a violation of our verifiability policy and biographies of living people policy. It is stated: Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it. All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed. Please immediately remove contentious material about living people that is unsourced or poorly sourced. If you want your draft to be published, you must at least provide one reliable source, but it's much more than that, I'll talk about that later. You may read this essay, as well as Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:CS for how to cite the sources.
Another point is you are writing about yourself. Conflict of interest editing is strongly discouraged in Wikipedia, and autobiographies are hardly accepted and published to mainspace. Avoiding such editing keeps Wikipedia neutral and helps avoid pushing a certain point of view, which is also required by our neutral point of view policy. It is very difficult to write a wholly neutral, verifiable autobiography. Please follow instructions on WP:DISCLOSE. We are not discouraging you to edit Wikipedia, but to help you avoid pitfalls.
Moreover, please make sure your draft satisfy the notability guidelines, especially WP:NSPORT. My last advice to you is to click into the links and familiarize yourself with our content policies. If you have any questions, feel free to ask at the Teahouse, a friendly place for learning how to edit Wikipedia or receiving help from experienced users, and the Help Desk. Cheers. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 04:07, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Pondicherry is the capital and the most populous city of the Indian Union Territory of Puducherry.
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Adoption

Hi,

Will you like to adopt me? I am also fighting for vandalism. Xain36 (talk) 16:09, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Added your name to my current adoptees list in Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters. Please feel free to ask any questions on my talk page ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 02:14, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikidata weekly summary #351

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  • Development
    • Working on the "in more languages" and "all entered languages" parts of the termbox on mobile
    • Working on making undo, revert, edit summaries and more work for Shape Expressions
    • Fixed an error when detecting the same label and description in another Item (phabricator:T194770, thanks Matěj)
    • Making Lemma input on Lexeme pages save your input when you press enter (phabricator:T206140)
    • Making QuickStatements work more easily for other Docker-powered Wikibase instances (phabricator:T205606)
    • Worked more on making Federation work for making Statements on Wikimedia Commons (phabricator:T214557)
    • Working on stripping whitespaces at the beginning and end of Glosses when saving them (phabricator:T212019)
    • Looking into adding more signals to ORES' vandalism detection model so we can detect bad edits more accurately (phabricator:T194737)
    • Preventing a redirect of an Entity onto itself (phabricator:T214775)
    • Fixed an issue with adding sitelinks from Wikimedia Commons (phabricator:T213975)
    • Unified the separators between language and lexical category in different places (phabricator:T201808)

OpenSSL

Huggle is not working for me "You need OpenSSl) how can I get it?--Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:32, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which operating system are you using? You may ask Petrb ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 02:36, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Windows 10, Huggle 3.4.6--Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:42, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't use windows, but I did a quick search on Google and hope this can solve your problem :) ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 02:46, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. By the way, I really rather prefer Windows Xp than 10. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 03:57, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, Don't They force you to "Pay" for that at the end? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 03:59, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Writer's Barnstar
To thank you. KEITH CHAU OF HONG KONG WIKIPEDIANS 05:00, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Adoption

Hey can you adopt me? Just kidding. --It's Boothsift 00:59, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No XD ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 03:57, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Awwww man. :(--The One and Only Boothsift 04:57, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thank you for your contributions. Happy editing It's Boothsift 01:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks :) ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 03:59, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects and socks

Hi, I see that you've accepted quite a few of the redirects requested at WP:AFC/R by 82.22.116.129 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). That editor is a sock of one, particularly prolific and persistent sockmaster. I've had to deal with them before, and even though they have occasionally created legitimate stuff, most of the time it's somewhere on the spectrum between "misleading" and "outright hoax". My view is that it's usually much less work to delete all their creations per WP:G5 than to examine each one in detail to see if it might be alright. But you've reviewed the redirects, I presume, so you might have a different opinion?

Also, it's a bit unfortunate that the IP had managed to file so many requests while its SPI case was still open. Well, there's one thing you can do to avoid such situations – though I don't know if it's worth the effort – you can check the editor before accepting: going to their talk page, clicking "What links here" and then filtering to the WP namespace should come up with mentions of them on the noticeboards, if there are any. – Uanfala (talk) 00:07, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Uanfala: Has the IP been dealt with yet? --The One and Only Boothsift 03:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The IP has been blocked and the pages they've created have been speedy deleted, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Zeshan Mahmood. – Uanfala (talk) 03:40, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Uanfala: G5 is appropriate. Thanks for your work and notification. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 09:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So, I've had a look at the redirects that have been requested by the two socks since 10 February. The following redirects look alright, so it's probably safe to let them be:

As for the rest, there are either likely hoaxes (a web search doesn't return anything definite (other than the sockmaster's own posts on quora, youtube and the like), or potentially ambiguous, or just plain implausible (like the "national currency" one). I think these should be deleted:

Let me know if you spot anything worth keeping. I think I'll ask an admin to delete the redirects, and I guess it will be helpful to have an explicit statement from you if you endorse their deletion. – Uanfala (talk) 00:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Uanfala: I endorse the deletion of all the redirects you listed above that are not worth keeping. I checked one more time, and found that List of national symbols of Palestine explicitly states that there are unofficial national symbols of Palestines and some of them are only possible or suggested, and most of the redirects listed are only Quora answers. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 02:12, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification regarding draft submission of "Coat of arms of Austria-Hungary"

Hi there.

Back in September I began work on an article (about the coat of arms of the Austrian Empire) in my personal sandbox, specifically Alphathon/sandbox2, then got distracted by real life and left it in an incomplete state. I just went back to it today to do some more to it and noticed that someone (user Aleguez70, who has no other edits on any MediaWiki project as far as I can tell – they may have registered purely to submit my sandboxed page) had, for whatever reason, decided to submit it by adding the {{submit}} template. I have no idea who they are, why they did or how they found the page (I have asked them on their talk page). Then user Robert McClenon moved the page to the drafts namespace as it is the "Preferred location for AfC submissions" under the name Draft: Coat of Arms of Austria-Hungary (which is, incidentally, incorrect, as the text talks about the arms of the pre-compromise Austrian Empire, not Austria-Hungary). Then, you declined it as an article with that name already existed in the main namespace, then reverted your declination one minute later without explanation. Finally, about a month later (a little over a day ago as I type this), user StraussInTheHouse declined it again for the same reason.

Anyway, all the stuff about it being declined is really neither here nor there, as it was mislabelled, incomplete and perhaps a bit "essay-like" anyway. (Even given the mislabelling I have no real issue with it being merged into Coat of arms of Austria-Hungary once it is finished instead of having its own article if that is preferable.) What I want to know is why you declined it then reverted.

I would also like to move the page back to my sandbox (edit history and all, at least up to my last edit) until I have finished working on it. I am happy to do this myself; however, I have never used the draft feature/namespace before and don't really know the rules, how it works etc and didn't want to accidentally break any rules or step on anyone's toes. Since you clearly do know how it all works I thought you might be able to help. I suppose I'm sort of asking permission to move it back and checking if there's anything else I need to do (would I need to leave a redirect etc). If all else fails I can always just copy the contents back in, but I'd rather keep the edit history intact. I have also contacted StraussInTheHouse about this.

Thanks, Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (talk) 09:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: never mind, Premeditated Chaos sorted it out. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (talk) 10:07, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AFC/R

Why did you revert my request? 208.95.51.53 (talk) 14:55, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thought you are another sock. Restored. Sorry. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 15:50, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

why you dont permite that i introduce official chilean information about the city status of puerto williams

from macrh Puerto Williams Oficially will be a City, why you don t leave me introduce information about the new status


noticias en argentina: https://www.infofueguina.com/regionales/2019/2/15/puerto-williams-sera-ciudad-desde-marzo-36568.html http://www.tierradelfuego.info/noticias/puerto-williams-sera-ciudad-desde-marzo https://tn.com.ar/internacional/un-poblado-de-chile-le-roba-el-titulo-de-ciudad-mas-austral-del-mundo-ushuaia_941031 https://www.filo.news/actualidad/Por-que-Ushuaia-dejara-de-ser-la-ciudad-mas-austral-del-mundo-20190215-0050.html https://la100.cienradios.com/cambio-ushuaia-ya-no-duena-del-titulo-la-ciudad-mas-austral-ahora-chile/ http://www.sur54.com/segun_los_diarios_de_chile_puerto_williams_pasara_a_ser_la_ciudad_mas_austral_del_mundo http://www.info3noticias.com.ar/noticias/puerto-williams-sera-ciudad-desde-marzo https://www.minutofueguino.com.ar/interes-general/2019/2/15/puerto-williams-sera-ciudad-desde-marzo-27838.html


noticias en chile:

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nacional/region-de-magallanes/2019/02/15/ahora-si-puerto-williams-sera-la-ciudad-mas-austral-del-mundo.shtml https://www.radioagricultura.cl/nacional/2019/02/15/puerto-williams-sera-la-ciudad-mas-austral-del-mundo.html https://www.cnnchile.com/pais/por-que-puerto-williams-pasara-a-ser-la-ciudad-mas-austral-de-chile_20190215/ https://laprensaaustral.cl/cronica/puerto-williams-tendra-la-categoria-de-ciudad-a-contar-de-marzo/ https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nacional/region-de-magallanes/2019/02/15/ahora-si-puerto-williams-sera-la-ciudad-mas-austral-del-mundo.shtml https://www.24horas.cl/nacional/puerto-williams-se-convertira-en-la-ciudad-mas-austral-del-mundo-3093507

noticias en Estados Unidos https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqOQgKIjNDQklTSURvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoTUtFUWpTaTZfZGtJQU1FU0tESllnY0hJN1NLQUFQAQ?hl=es-419&gl=AR&ceid=AR%3Aes-419 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pridemagallanes (talk • contribs) 02:29, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Pridemagallanes: Hi. Please see WP:EL. External links should not be in the body of an article. Also, this is English Wikipedia, so please keep all of your edits in English. See WP:MOS for a comprehensive guide to the style of the articles in Wikipedia. Thanks. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 02:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

I am sorry that you are not satisfied with an AFD result. If very unhappy, review Deletion Review and consider filing a report. Otherwise, if you don't like an article, just don't read it. Thank you. Cheesesteak1 (talk) 07:17, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stop your disruptive editing or you will be blocked. Period. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 07:28, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar
The SA Table Generator is so useful! SITH (talk) 10:03, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi StraussInTheHouse. Glad to hear it :D ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 12:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Draft rejection advise

Hello,

You recently rejected a draft I made for guitarist Daan Kleijn. I would love your advise on this matter as I'm personally convinced of his notability and I think I have showed so by the sources I have provide. For example articles in major newspapers handling solely his work. Could you share you insight in why you rejected the draft and what you'd like to see changed?

Best regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.4.83 (talk) 16:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello IP. A few reviewers and me cited WP:MUSICBIO (please see below) which your draft fails. I did a brief Google search on the subject. Most of the search results are either primary sources such as personal websites or questionable sources, which does not add notability. The sources in the draft are generally ok, but the above reasons made it unsuitable for mainspace. The thing you can only do now is to find more secondary sources, but since the subject is not notable enough, it will be hardly accepted. Regards, ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 13:15, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria.

  1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.
    • This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries except for the following:
      • Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising.
      • Works consisting merely of trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories.
      • Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar), in most cases.
  2. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.
  3. Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.
  4. Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.
  5. Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).
  6. Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. This should be adapted appropriately for musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses. Note that this criterion needs to be interpreted with caution, as there have been instances where this criterion was cited in a circular manner to create a self-fulfilling notability loop (e.g. musicians who were "notable" only for having been in two bands, of which one or both were "notable" only because those musicians had been in them.)
  7. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
  8. Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.
  9. Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition.
  10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read the policy and notability guideline on subjects notable only for one event, for further clarifications).
  11. Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.
  12. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network.

Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated that they are independently notable.

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A glass of whisky for you!

JackintheBox has given you a whiskey! Whiskeys promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a whiskey, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Enjoy!†

Thanks for helping me out when I first started using Huggle last November! JACKINTHEBOX • TALK 07:01, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

JackintheBox - You're welcome. Happy to help :D ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 09:57, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AFC/R

Hello Abelmoschus Esculentus, please be aware that a good number of the redirects you've recently created at WP:AFC/R are being commandeered for other purposes and immediately turned into move requests for newly-created articles, which seems to be an end-around of the normal WP:AFC process. I am not normally involved with AFC, but you can see some of what I'm talking about in my recent contributions. I hope this will help you decide whether or not to create the redirects for certain IPs, or perhaps you can follow up on the redirects afterwards to see if they are being used as intended. Thanks, Dekimasuよ! 19:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So you won't have to hunt around, here are some places to see what I'm talking about: [23], [24]. Best, Dekimasuよ! 19:41, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Dekimasu. Thanks for notifying me. I have warned them just now. What if they continue to abuse the process and bypass AFC to create articles? I did not watch every single accepted redirects in AFC/R. Perhaps gaming the system? ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 09:41, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dekimasu - Do you think I should open a thread at WP:ANI so more users can comment in this issue? It is really unacceptable. Pinging @DannyS712, Boothsift, L293D, Omni Flames, and SkyGazer 512: to alert you folks as AFC/R regulars. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 10:12, 21 February 2019 (UTC) edited 10:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
While this is rather concerning, from a quick glance at their contribs it looks like neither IP has made the same problematic edits since being warned. If they continue to game the system, then perhaps it would be worth taking the issue to ANI, but for now it seems counter-productive. Omni Flames (talk) 10:44, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Omni Flames: There are possibly much more than that, such as Special:Contributions/92.6.184.179 ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 11:12, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Responding here because I was pinged (thank you!): first of all, let me just say that I try to not touch ANI so I'm not knowledgeable with when exactly reports should be made there and when they shouldn't. :-) I have created about 200 redirects with AFC/R and I've viewed many submissions by other users... and I haven't seen this problem a single time. This suggests that it is not a problem that occurs extremely often, unless my sample was just a coincidence. Also, these two unregistered users, based on the location and behavior of the IPs, may actually be the same person, although I won't make any assumptions and I'm not really knowledgeable with how quickly IP addresses can automatically switch. It doesn't seem like there would be a way to filter out the redirects that would turn problematic as soon as they're requested without catching a lot of false positives, so my personal suggestion would be to watch the redirects you create so that you can see if they are changed into articles. Not sure how helpful this is but it's all I know. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 15:24, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would be excellent if everyone could keep redirects on their watchlist after creating them at WP:AFC/R, in order to become aware of this sort of problem as soon as it arises in each individual case -- IP addresses change often, and many different miscreants on many different IP addresses might be abusing the process in the same way. Of course, watchlisting everything one ever creates might not be bearable if one is working at AFC/R a lot. An approach I take in similar circumstances is, when reading my watchlist, think to myself, "why is this on my watchlist", and if there's no good reason, then remove it. By this means, some barely notable soccer player or whatever, that a few months ago I watchlisted to deal with a recurring BLP problem or similar, I will quickly realise is now no longer in need of my help or interest, therefore I will remove it. If I only added it a couple of weeks ago -- or in your case, if you only created the redirect a couple of weeks ago -- then it's usually easy to work out why it's there and perhaps keep it a bit longer. I began this approach when I discovered that I had an absolutely huge watchlist of articles that mostly were of no interest to me whatsoever. MPS1992 (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad that you had a chance to follow up on this and I think the actions you took were sufficient for the problem at this point (there are still some articles created this way by User:92.19.178.21 floating around, but maybe you have looked at them and decided they should stay). Please let me know if you need administrative help related to this at a future date. Dekimasuよ! 19:02, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

what mistake did i make with the band cud ?

What mistake ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.180.75 (talk) 02:12, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You need to cite sources, or else it will be removed. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 11:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 2019

Stop icon with clock
You have been blocked from editing for a period of forever and ever and ever and ever as requested for doing something silly. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, didn't click the damn vandal before reporting... Sometimes I may need to have a break too ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 12:05, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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User talk:112.133.218.84

Re this edit: I've reverted your reversion of my edit. I don't think I get your point behind that edit, but, anyway, here's why I reverted yours:

  • I posted that message before they were blocked; I didn't find a way to confirm if they were sockpuppetting (or if it was a long-term abuse).
  • They were somewhat actively "vandalizing" (not what you see after like 5 hours); my comment was more or less a user warning, which I intended to escalate to level 4 and report them to AIV.
  • WP:DENY is an essay not a policy or a guideline. (Ironically leaving this here.)
  • WP:TPO: The basic rule—with exceptions outlined below [which don't include removing others' comment for, as you call it, "DENY," apparently]—is to not edit or delete others' posts without their permission.
Frankly, I didn't wake up to find someone revert my edit, deleting my talk comment, citing an essay. —RainFall 05:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@RainFall: — I'm not going to blame you for not knowing the sockpuppeteer and the existence of WP:IAR (which is a policy), but you have to persuade many users to stop citing WP:DENY as if it is a policy. Moreover, you are more than welcome to post handwritten warnings on LTA or troll's talk page whenever you want, and continue to cite policies to justify that my removal of your messages on LTA talk pages is improper per WP:TPO. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 08:57, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm unsure why you called WP:TPO an essay.(ec) I just finished reading the essay you tend to link quite often; unsurprisingly, it's about reverting the "true" vandals and trolls, and not about reverting users who post user-warnings and are unaware of the vandals' LTAs; it doesn't beseech one to not "talk" to them. Also, IMO, your reversion didn't help "improving or maintaining" the Wikipedia. I apologize if I came off a bit rude earlier—I did not mean to. I woke up to a notification of reversion that was not done by a vandal and I didn't find a policy to justify the reversion; hope you didn't mind. Happy editing. —RainFall 09:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
RainFall Well, the WP:DENY in my edit summary is used to remind you not to interact with the sockpuppeteer, not to denote that you are the vandal :) (when I have not been told that you don’t know the troll). I’m not going to revert your messages anymore, and I hope our edits will be beneficial to the encyclopedia. Happy reverting, my friend. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (alt) (talk to me) 09:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's nice to hear. I bet they will be beneficial. ;) *brofists* —RainFall 10:05, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
*brofist* It’s not over yet :D ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (alt) (talk to me) 10:43, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Centre for Management Studies

Hi, I saw your message and I would like to inform you that I am a student at CMS and new to wikipedia. I dont knkw much about citations however it would be helpful if you canguide me on how to add citations. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pageone11 (talk • contribs) 12:18, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pageone11 — Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Yesterday, I reverted this edit of yours, and left a message on your talk page about the unsourced content addition. Now I will explain it in-depth. All content in Wikipedia is largely based on [{WP:RS|reliable sources]]. All material in the Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable, and "verifiable" means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. This can prevent the publishing of original research. Even if you believe something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it. Wikipedia has such strict rules because we want our content to be factual and neutral, so reliable sources are required to achieve this goal.
After explaining why you should provide sources, I'll briefly explain how to cite them. Generally, we will use Citation Style 1 (see the collapse box below for templates and please read the documentaries for each template). The most commonly used template is {{cite web}}, which is for citing websites as sources. Moreover, we will wrap the citation template with a HTML tag "ref" (<ref></ref>). So the whole citation will look like <ref>{{cite web|url=...|title=...|accessdate=...}}</ref>, and are usually placed after an adjacent punctuation such as commas(,) or periods(.) per WP:CITEFOOT.
I encourage you to read WP:CS and WP:INCITE for detailed procedures to correctly cite a source. More information about reliable sources can be found in your talk page. If you have any questions, you may ask me anytime here or at the Teahouse, where some experienced hosts answer questions about Wikipedia. Happy editing. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 14:29, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DiscussionCloser

At User:Abelmoschus Esculentus/DiscussionCloser.js, please amend the places where rfctop and rfc bottom (case-insensitive) are used to instead be closed rfc top and closed rfc bottom respectively. This will help to prevent incorrect edits like these which lead directly to mislistings like this. Thanks. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:23, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redrose64 —  Done ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 00:43, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Rat creature

A tag has been placed on Rat creature requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an orphaned disambiguation page which either

  • disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic); or
  • disambiguates zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. Please see the disambiguation page guidelines for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. DannyS712 (talk) 23:50, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Turned it into a G7 just now. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 12:29, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

EFFP Helper

Not a big deal, but any possibility that EFFP Helper could have a less confusing name? I saw your message on DannyS712's page, and thought it was a fork of my script. It looks useful, but seems to be doing something quite different. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:00, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Suffusion of Yellow: (talk page stalker) what about "EFFP Response Helper" or "EFFP Responded" (if AE is okay with it)? --DannyS712 (talk) 20:10, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DannyS712: Either is fine with me, but the first seems less clumsy (or did you mean EFFP Responder?). Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Suffusion of Yellow: I did mean responder, thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 20:17, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also, AE: User:Abelmoschus Esculentus/EFFPRH/sandbox - I think there is a problem. When you have the interface open, and you click on another "review..." link (or the same one again), and then try to respond, stuff doesn't end well - maybe hide the links if the interface is open? --DannyS712 (talk) 00:36, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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EFFP Script

Thanks a lot for the script! Looks extremely helpful. As of the time I write this message, there's no new reports, but I'm excited to try it on the next report I can find. EggRoll97 (talk) 11:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

EggRoll97 — Glad to hear that. Happy editing ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 11:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

EFFPRH Script bug

Bug - at line 247 of User:Abelmoschus Esculentus/EFFPRH.js

Code:

if (document.getElementById('effp_effp_blockuser_'+i).checked) {

Error: "Cannot read property 'checked' of null"

--DannyS712 (talk) 22:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DannyS712: The effp_effp_blockuser checkbox will be generated only if the user is an administrator. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 10:20, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 2019

Stop icon with clock
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring and violating the three-revert rule, as you did at Catholic Church in Saudi Arabia. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.
During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your preferred version, "Catholic Church in Saudi Arabia is officially barred from being practiced" doesn't make grammatical sense. The IPs version, "Catholicism is officially barred from being practiced" is at least gramatically correct, though leaves an important bit of information out. My preferred version would be "Catholicism is officially barred from being practiced in Saudi Arabia". The IP doesn't get blocked because he started a discussion on the talk page. You didn't, and should know policies better, so I am left with no choice but to block. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie333: According to the series {{Catholic Church by country}}, most of the articles use "The Catholic Church in XXX". "The Catholic Church is officially barred in Saudi Arabia" or "The Catholic Church in Saudi Arabia is barred." would be an alternative. Or else you have to move the article to Catholicism in Saudi Arabia, which is quite unfit in the series. Anything that looks good for you is fine. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 11:17, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, well discussion is happening on the talk page and we should get consensus soon enough. Now, can you explain why on earth you were repeatedly reverting the IP again and again, tripping you over the three revert rule limit? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That was my careless mistake, and did not notice the discussion on the talk page. Changing the topic sentence in the lede that does not match the article title while reverting edits of Flyer22 Reborn and mine over and over again (just like what I did), calling us "vandals" doesn't seem fine to me. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 11:24, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here I am AE. Just to point out that the IP's edits were in no way blatant vandalism, which makes yours a misuse of the rollback tool (again), and using it to edit-war only compounds the misuse: 24 hours might be seen as rather generous in that light. Cheers, ——SerialNumber54129 11:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) How on earth do you "accidentally" revert somebody four times in about 20 minutes? I'll put the discussion about the content to one side for a minute, because as our edit warring policy says : "An editor who repeatedly restores their preferred version is edit warring, regardless of whether those edits are justifiable: "But my edits were right, so it wasn't edit warring" is no defense." I'm not really happy about the IP saying "stop vandalising!"; however, they were trying to resolve the dispute, and it's not particularly uncommon for new or inexperienced editors to know the difference between vandalism and plain old disruptive editing. I really don't think you understand the key issues here, so I'm afraid I'm not inclined to unblock just yet. I would recommend reading User:GreenMeansGo/WP:Death by template and examine the issues explained there. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:34, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I did not say I "accidentally" reverted the IP's edits, and I'm not sure why you pointed that out. I understand what I've done wrong, which is repeatedly reverting the IP's edits to a favorable version. Also tbh I did not read WP:EW thoroughly (thanks for pointing that out) ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 11:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, you are unblocked. Two other important points:

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