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02 January 2016

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MagnificentMehmet inserts at Urheimat[1] the same content as an IP at Proto-Turkic language.[2] BronzeAgeYeniseian marks his edit at Karasuk culture[3] exactly like an IP at Bey.[4] Both of these IP's belong to the range which was blocked as belonging to Tirgil34 in May 2015.[5] Egaplaicesp restores[6] Weftsbuddy[7] at Haplogroup R1b, and Swathmafia creates the article Pazyryk rug[8] based on content added at Pazyryk burials by Tirgil34 sock Osgoem.[9] Krakkos (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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l have added an another sock, Panathinaikos Athen Fan (talk · contribs) whose edits are obviously the same with banned Tirgil34 sock Kleropides (talk · contribs) (even word by word). Compare Kleropides's last edit on Kurds and Panathinaikos Athen Fan's last edit on Gutian people.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.216.13.181 (talk) 07:40, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide diffs of those edits that are "obviously the same"? Vanjagenije (talk) 21:00, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Panathinaikos Athen Fan's edit is similar to Mrliebeip, not Kleropides. I'm making a separate case. Krakkos (talk) 11:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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12 January 2016

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NomadicHorseman added [10] to Xionites. Same as blocked sock User:Al Hanvar (another blocked sock puppet of User:Egaplaicesp) and reported IP [11], [12]. After that edit, Joohnny braavoo1 added a wikilink to other articles based on falsified revision. [13], [14]. Joohnny braavoo1 used a redicrect created by another sock master [15]. One user (Egaplaicesp) falsify/Turkify articles, the other one (Joohnny braavoo1) adds false categories and usually adds victim articles to Turkic peoples and List of Turkic dynasties and countries. Either they are same person or multiple related accounts. 89.165.95.132 (talk) 12:57, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed,  Inconclusive to Egaplaicesp:
  • @Vanjagenije: I did not resume the behavioral analysis on Egaplaicesp. I had looked at this several days ago but before Krakkos made corrections leading to the report below that one. Since Egaplaicesp was already blocked and there had been several checkuser reports that stated they were technically unrelated, I spent my time on the other parts of the case. I had said "see below" because that is where that suspected sock had initially been listed before the newer report had been filed. Egaplaicesp is still inconclusive to me because I never reached a conclusion there. Feel free to evaluate.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 13:59, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have opinion about the connection neither. I think we should not waste more time. I don't think the inconclusive group above should be blocked, as it is impossible to find behavioral connection. I'm closing this. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:11, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

24 January 2016

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Panathinaikos Athen Fan inserts at Gutian people[16] the content as Mrliebeip at Kurds[17] and Gutian people.[18] Krakkos (talk) 11:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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05 February 2016

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Suspected sockpuppets


NomadicHorseman restores[19] an earlier edit[20] by Al Hanvar, a  Confirmed sock of Egaplaicesp. Though i'm certain that Egaplaicesp is the same person as Tirgil34, as illustrated here, i'm adding the SPI on NomadicHorseman here for technical reasons. Krakkos (talk) 15:26, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Some new users appeared on Krumbates, created by Conspiracy Du Monde (talk · contribs). I think they're related to sockmaster:

It's strange and suspected behavior. Because they're new users and all of them edited a new article which is not a popular topic. --Zyma (talk) 13:32, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanjagenije: Please compare Conspiracy Du Monde's article Krumbates with Tirgil34 sock Kleropides' edit at Grumbates.[21] Krakkos (talk) 20:04, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Indeffing NomadicHorseman, UK.Akma, and Conspiracy Du Monde with tags. The evidence presented by Krakkos helped connect to the master. We may need to revisit the accounts listed by Zyma after we have more evidence. Closing.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 00:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

22 February 2016

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This SPA sleeper account with surprisingly good knowledge of wiki-code is clearly a sock of someone. At first glance the user appears to be some kind of pro-Tibetan pov-pusher, but recent edits show that he is pushing a similar agenda to Egaplaicesp/Tirgil34 through promoting the Altaic languages theory and assigning Turkic origins to various peoples.[22][23] 四川省 has a similar[24] way of referencing to Egaplaicesp/Tirgil34[25][[26]] and the same fetish for having usernames in a non-English alphabet (i. e. Тазовск, Слушкы). Krakkos (talk) 21:40, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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23 February 2016

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Suspected sockpuppets


The IP's are constantly restoring edits by Egaplaicesp/Tirgil34/Yakbul.[27][28][29][30] They use the same accusaion of "ad hominem"[31][32] as Tirgil34.[33] Krakkos (talk) 17:45, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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no Unnecessary. Fails the duck test. -Philippe (talk) 12:38, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

26 February 2016

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Gushtasp is another sleeper account which has recently been reactivated. Gushtasp edits the same topics (genetics, Central Asia), promotes the same views (Indo-Europeans are not associated with Haplogroup R1a), and engages in the same behavior of edit warring and pov-pushing as Egaplaicesp/Tirgil34. He's quoting a certain "ncbi" source,[34] just like lots of confirmed Egaplaicesp socks.[35][36][37][38] Krakkos (talk) 17:59, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@Bbb23: This SPI was intended for Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Egaplaicesp. Sorry for that. Krakkos (talk) 11:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@Krakkos: I assume you meant to file this somewhere else? Please don't move it yourself. Just let me or an SPI clerk know where you want it moved. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:51, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]


02 March 2016

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Suspected sockpuppets


This is a new ducky user who promotes[39] the same Turkish nationalist agenda at Xiongnu as Egaplaicesp.[40] It appears to belong to the same guy as the IP's mentioned above.[41] Please also compare this account with Yakbul. Krakkos (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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My thanks to Thomas W. for his detective work. Just to clarify, Yakbul was not blocked for sockpuppetry, but for disruptive editing. Krakkos placed the sockpuppet tag on Yakbul's user page.

I would say, based on Thomas' excellent work, that both Yakbul and Defenderofthruth are out of Manchester; that Defenderofthruth edits, personal attacks, and racist remarks mirror those made by Yakbul(and his Manchester IPs) on Xiongnu and other articles. I would suggest a indef block and changing the sockpuppet tag on Yakbul's user page. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:56, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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User:DeltaQuad/SPI/Clerk Training Notice

 Clerk declined @Krakkos: Pro-Turkic POV plus an additional possible connection to indefinitely blocked user Yakbul: Yakbul's first edit created a user page saying they're a postgraduate researcher/student at the University of Manchester, and Defenderofthruth's first edit created a user page with "Cognitio, sapientia, humanitas", which purely by chance happens to be the motto of the University of Manchester. A connection to Yakbul is thus possible, but a CU-check isn't possible since Yakbul was blocked in November 2015 and all CU-data is stale. If it is Yakbul I'm also not sure about the connection to this master (Egaplaicesp), since the tag on Yakbul's user page says they've been blocked as a suspected sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34.

As for behavioural evidence there isn't, IMO, enough evidence yet to firmly connect Defenderofthruth to either this master or Yakbul (they have so far only made a handful edits in article space, and the diffs above aren't similar enough to say they were made by the same editor), so the best would be to give them a bit more rope, i.e. let them continue editing while keeping a close eye on what they're doing. Thomas.W talk 19:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Clerk note: Defenderofthruth has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Yakbul. Closing. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:48, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

21 April 2016

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Suspected sockpuppets


Jinodare's main activity at Wikipedia is removing content at Yazidis and Kurdification. German IP's of the range 89.204... and 82.113... are being used to avoid 3RR.

Please compare Jinodare with Tirgil34 socks Nedbud and Panathinaikos Athen Fan, but also with Egaplaicesp "socks" NomadicHorseman, UK.Akma, Conspiracy Du Monde and Gushtasp. Egaplaicesp is simply just another Tirgil34 sock. Krakkos (talk) 19:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@Bbb23: I added an investigation of Egaplaicesp as a Tirgil34 sock on 2 January 2016.[54] On 28 January 2016 admin Berean Hunter closes that case with the comment "see below", but nothing about Egaplaicesp is mentioned below.[55] Admin Vanjagenije then mentions the lack of comment about Egaiplacesp as a Tirgil34 sock at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Egaplaicesp.[56] Berean Hunter replies that Tirgil34 and Egaplaicesp had earlier been shown to be unrelated, and that he was not able to reach a conclusion, while encouraging others to evaluate.[57] The technical unrelatedness referred to is this check[58] and this check[59] by Callanecc. Neither of the accounts checked against Egaplaicesp in these cases are tagged as Tirgil34 socks, so a technical unrelatedness has actually not been proven. Vanjagenije then states that he has no opinion about the relationship between Egaplaicesp and Tirgil34, declares investigating it a waste of time and closes the case.[60] As far as i can tell, a technical relationship between Tirgil34 and Egaplaicesp has not been disproven, and no admin has explicitly stated that they do not think Tirgil34 and Egaplaicesp are the same person, in fact quite to the contrary. Krakkos (talk) 22:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • @Krakkos: I have not been involved in these two cases as a CheckUser. Can you please provide diffs from either the Tirgil34 or the Egaplaicesp archives where clerks or administrators or CheckUsers have rejected your contention that Egaplaicesp is a Tirgil34 puppet? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:26, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only two non-stale accounts listed as puppets of Tirgil34 and Egaplaicesp are Nedbud (Tirgil34) and Gushtasp (Egaplaicesp). Neither account is confirmed. Also, despite the templates on their userpages, it's not clear who the "master" is as the history of these two cases is quite muddled.
  • That said, both accounts are  Technically indistinguishable.
  • I've also looked at the CheckUser logs for both "masters", and my conclusion is that it is probable that Egaplaicesp is a puppet of Tirgil34. Therefore, a clerk is requested to merge the Egaplaicesp case into the Tirgil34 case, making one master.
  • Jinodare is between  Inconclusive and  Unlikely. That is based on the limited amount of technical data I have available to me. If location is important, then the finding would become  Possible as the account is editing from the same country as Tirgil34 and socks. My recommendation is to determine whether a block is warranted based on behavior.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:37, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Behavioral evidence is not enough. Anyway, I blocked Jinodare temporarily for disruptive editing. Case closed. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

23 June 2016

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  • Nusdlog1 (talk · contribs) Suspicious edits on Q-M242 and Turkmens.
  • Claiming that Nordic peoples came from Central Asia through emphasizing prevalence of haplogroup Q among them and highlighting their connection with Azeris1

2 3 Similar edits with a banned Tirgil34 sock1 and the sockmaster's YouTube account(Vikings-Scandinavian Huns).

  • Highlighting that haplogroup Q (particularly Q1a1 subclade) is dominant/prevalent haplogroup among Turkmens and other Turkic peoples123
  • Implying that Ashina clan and Xiongnu were Turks, since haplogroup Q was also prevalent among them12
  • Trying to show that Sumerians had also haplogroup Q through emphasizing its prevalence among Marsh Arabs who are related to Sumerians according to him12
  • Impelling readers the related articles edited by him through “See also” sections, since he could not push the same pov on the articles that were marked as “targeted articles” on LTA.123
  • Remember Sumerians, Xiongnu and Ashina were also claimed to be Turkic or related to Turkic people by various Tirgil34 socks before1234

Therefore, there is obviously a parallelity between those edits.

Plus, changing the population number of Turkmens from 8 to 9 million without source was also remarkable.1

  • Zolotoya Number (talk · contribs) Suspicious edits on Poltavka culture, Q-M242, Karasuk culture, R1a...
  • Source falsification on Poltavka culture by adding Altai stuff which is not in the source. Further, the haplogroup’s high frequency among ancient Iranian peoples was totally dismissed1 Similar addition regarding Altai stuff, see Su4kin1
  • Signifying that Karasuk people have haplogroup Q-M25(Q1a1b) whose dominance among Turkmens was highligted by other sock Nsdlog1 before.1
  • Trying to show that haplogroup Q is also found in Hunnic-Sarmatian culture1
  • Adding unverifiable Russian/Cyrillic sources 1 like Tirgil341234
  • Highlighting prevalence of haplogroup R1a among Turkic people by citing Underhill(2014)1 Parallel edits/additions were also done by Tirgil on haplogroup R1a/R1a1123

Plus, Tirgil34’s interest on the same source(Underhill, 2014) was also remarkable.See suspected sock Mountaindwellerman’s request on Slovenski Volks’s talk page And his YouTube account (Maps from the same study was used in various videos which were uploaded by him)

  • Ilber8000 (talk · contribs) With a Turkic username, "İlber". The most suspicious one.
  • Deleting images of Tocharians and the Pamiri child and lefting only blond Uyghur girl’s. Deleting sourced information regarding ancient IE inhabitants of Kazakhstan. Highlighting that high frequencies of light hair in Asia is also found among Uyhurs in addition to other IE peoples that were mentioned previous version of the page. The sentence regarding Tocharians that explains the source of blondness in Xinjiang(particularly among Uyhurs) was also deleted by the same possible sock 1

Tirgil’s obsession to present Turkic peoples as “white” and “blond-blue eyed” was mentioned on LTA and previous SPI cases. See 5 September 2012 case Also, regarding the deletion of the same image, see:1234.

  • Emphasizing the genetic affinity between Siberians, Native Americans and Europeans123 like banned sock KLRO6P 1
  • Suspicious Tirgil-like edits on Yamna culture 1
  • Emphasizing that IE migration(s) occured through language shift. It resembles the edits of suspicious user Grathmy who were reported on SPI several times and various Tirgil34 socks’ edits.12
  • He defines himself as Basque-Spanish hybrid on his userpage-A Basque with a Turkic username. 1

Remember, Tirgil34 involved in WP:ACTING many times in order not to be noticed123

For more diffs, see “Habitual behavior” section on WP:Tirgil34

  • Siouxresearcher (talk · contribs) Suspicious edits regardiging Native Americans.
  • Emphasizing high rates of haplogroup R among Native Americans1like the long-term abuser12
  • Trying to show the affinity between Native Americans and Asians(Siberians)1 like Tirgil3412345


All the accounts mentioned above focused on the same topics with the same/similar agenda just like the banned sockmaster Tirgil34 (e.g. genetics, PIE and IE cultures, Native Americans, Mal'ta-Buret' culture, "South Central" Siberians, hair colors...) See LTA/Targeted articles. Plus, they use(d) the sources which were actively used by the long-term abuser before(eg. ncbi, academia, etc.) Therefore, I think these users are related to Tirgil34. Please compare them with each others and previous Tirgil socks. Also, please compare their ips with the suspicious Grathmy (talk · contribs)'s. In addition, please check if they are open proxies. 46.221.229.167 (talk) 10:28, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


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All my sources are from recent studies, please check my contributions, citations and journal studies before making any accusations.Ilber8000 (talk) 14:45, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23: Kannadiga (talk · contribs) is alternative account of confirmed sockpuppet Pebble101 (talk · contribs). Interestingly, the account was not detected despite it belongs to same sock. It indicates, again, the sockmaster is using proxies. I think that is the reason why Nusdlog1 seems "technically" unrelated. Could you please check Kannadiga's ip(s) too? With this, other socks using the same ip/proxy can be detected. 46.221.198.228 (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not a sock-puppet, I have stated my other accounts in bio. I have not used that account in months that's probably why it did not show up. But, this is my main account. Ilber8000 (talk) 15:10, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You added your confirmed socks as alternative accounts to your "bio", after they confirmed on spi Also, your two confirmed socks(user:Mywikicommons and user:Pebble101) were active at the same time range but you did not "show up" them on your userpages. Plus, Pebble101 was active on 2 July and you made your first edit on 6 July. So, please...I am not going to have a conversation with a sockmaster. Admins will decide about you. Plus, i am pretty sure that you are the same long-term abuser. Last comment! 46.221.198.228 (talk) 15:23, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I din't think it was necessary to mention it since i have not*** used the accounts mentioned in my bio past two months. Also, I am not user:Tirgil34. Ilber8000 (talk) 17:03, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23:, @Vanjagenije: i think i have provided the behavioral evidences with diffs. And note that we are dealing with a long-term abuser who has been socking about 5 years with countless sock tricks(including using proxies) in order to escape SPI. See LTA. So, please be less conservative regarding the case. No one should expect him to behave like amateurs. Bests, 46.221.198.228 (talk) 17:33, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike V:, @Bbb23:, @Vanjagenije: Regarding the group 3, l have checked the confirmed socks' edits superficially and i have noticed some proxies which belong them. 59.93.72.213 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and 117.192.217.67 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). The proxies from India. A Basque user with a Turkic male name living in India and making Tirgil-like edits? That's something weird here. 46.221.198.228 (talk) 18:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Group 3 user names are all mine, those IP edits are also mine but i am not this Tirgil34 person.Ilber8000 (talk) 19:35, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I think most probably Dózsa R. (talk · contribs) is also related Tirgil34. The long- term abuser also used Hungarian usernames and edited Hungarian-related articles many times. See WP:Tirgil34 for evidences/diffs. 46.221.198.228 (talk) 19:00, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I think because email is not required to create an account on wikipedia so it made it easy to create an account without inconvenience if you can't remember your password. Esp, when you stop using wiki for a while. I will stick to this account, and have added information regrading my previous account in my bio. Ilber8000 (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ilber8000: Frankly, I'm not convinced that you've done everything here in good faith. However, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. To that end, I've blocked all your so-called alternative accounts. Consider this a warning that if you create accounts in the future, your master account risks being blocked indefinitely.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

07 May 2017

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  • Theutatis- Added content that is almost exclusively on East Asian affinity of Scythians and dismissed their relations with Iranian and other Indo-European peoples which was mentioned in same passage from the cited source [61]. Also involved in fictitious sourcing to support the cherry picked text he added-the two sources do not support the text. Used obviously the same article from the same biorxiv source with confirmed/banned Tirgil34 sock Zolotoya Number [62] and the same article from the same nature.com source with likely proxy sock of Tirgil34[63] involved in disruptive edits on Saka[64]

On a side note, “creating socks for separate purposes” is one of the habitual behaviors of long-term abuser Tirgil34. See the LTA page: WP:Tirgil34.

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17 June 2017

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Suspected sockpuppets

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WP:DUCK WP:ACTING:

Mr. Helping Hand resembles ReneAjax and ReneAjax resembles Tirgil34:

  • Their userpages are similar and resemble each others[75][76] (One of them made some modifications yesterday)
  • After making only a few edits, both of these “new” users wrote [strange] messages on LouisAragon’s talk page[77][78]
  • Overlapping time zones with the sockmaster’s channel:  ReneAjax was created[79] and was active[80], when the sockmaster was active on Youtube (about 3-4 months ago) and Mr.Helping Hand was created[81] about a week ago and is active[82] while at the same time period, the sockmaster has became active on his Youtube channel again (about a week ago). You can look at the channel to see overlapping time zones here
  • They seem to be interested in topics related to lingusitic(transliteration, languges, etc.)[83][84], like the sockmaster. Please see WP:Tirgil34.
  • These dubious accounts seem to have different personalities, ethnicities, etc.  However, “ascribing fictitious personalities to his socks with different ethnicities, sexualities, religions and genders” is habitual behavior or modus operandi of the sockmaster[85]. Moreover, to confuse or fool other users and to hide evidence of his own sockpuppetry, the sockmaster made edits which were totally opposite to edits of his other socks and tried to contact opposing editors through various pretexts. This also can be seen as a kind of acting :[86][87][88]. See the similar and strange edits of the suspected sock[89][90][91]
  • According to the informations from LTA page, the sockmaster created  socks resembling the disagreeing users in order to made them to be under a cloud of suspicion[96]. ReneAjax’s userpage extremely similar to user LouisAragon’s userpage: Similar biography, almost the same userboxes and the same areas of interests: Being of Persian-Circassian/Iranian-Caucasian ancestry, being fluent in 6-7 different languages,  living in diaspora, etc.
LouisAragon’s bio

I am of Russian, Iranian, and Caucasian heritage. I live in the Netherlands I can speak Dutch, English, Russian, Persian, German, French, and Latin. My main interests mostly circle around topics related to my ancestry, and some of the nearby adjacent regions and topics. However, in general I edit and improve a pretty large scale of articles concerning Europe and Western Asia.

ReneAjax’s bio

I'm a Circassian-Persian linguist, and I'm fluent in 6 Indo-Iranian languages, Dutch, French, Spanish, English, Russian and Circassian. I began my studies in Indo-Iranian languages in 2000, in Arizona State University, and then transferred my studies to Université Catholique de Louvain to attain my masters degree in language studies. Currently I'm living in Vienna, in my parents' basement, because "oh boy, becoming a linguist was mistake".

The same userboxes and the same areas of interests are also remarkable: [97][98]. All of these , again, suits with the aforementioned  trick of the long-term abuser.

  • Aús is a new user editing mostly on linguistics and related articles and having some knowledge in Spanish[99], just like the sockmaster [100][101][102]. See the user’s dubious edit on an article which is one of the main targets of the sockmaster[103] and the confirmed socks’ edits on the same or similar topics[104][105][106][107][108][109][110][111]
  • The ip 207.198.105.21 from the US is a confirmed proxy from the Hosting Provider and the ip's edits [112] extremely resemble the same long-term abuser. For the relevant diffs regarding proxy-socking and the sockmaster's edits on PIE cultures, please see WP:Tirgil34.
  • Turanians: Username match and behavioral match.  SPA with limited edits like many Tirgil34 socks. The suspected sock tried to link Native Americans with “Ural-Altaic” speaking peoples[113]. For similar edits regarding Native American-Altaic/Turkic affinity, see[114][115][116][117][118]
  • The ip 207.154.245.237 from the Germany-the sockmaster’s main location- made a suspicious edit reminding Tirgil34 [130]. According to the LTA page,  the sockmaster  also tried to present discredited Altaic language family as valid through using multiple socks.  

@Bbb23:@Berean Hunter:, can you please check the accounts within 2 days? Because ReneAjax will be stale on 19 June. Thanks. 185.65.245.200 (talk) 03:36, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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@Bbb23:, too bad, because ReneAjax seems quite suspicious. There is an another user who resembles him and relevant diffs were provided. 185.65.245.200 (talk) 02:40, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone please review this case? Some of the socks are about to be stale. Pinging @Bbb23, Berean Hunter, DoRD, DeltaQuad, and Materialscientist:. The related case is also open. 185.65.245.200 (talk) 18:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Berean Hunter:, I have nothing to do with Krakkos. The user you mentioned has already filed many SPI cases under their account, there is no need for him/her to file cases as anon. 185.65.245.200 (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You both sound alike. :)
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is nonsense, as I have explained above. I am not going to repeat it. I suggest you to file a SPI case, if you have suspicions. Because none of your comments are related to this case, off-topic. 185.65.245.200 (talk) 19:17, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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ReneAjax is already stale. It's not three months, but 90 days.--Bbb23 (talk) 11:04, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • You would probably have gotten quicker replies if you had filed under your account, Krakkos. When IPs report SPI cases, we have to spend time investigating who is filing on who which takes more time. This saves time from those that you have pinged from having to try to figure that out. I'm not a checkuser and not able to run checks.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 18:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing with no action. Bbb23 (talk) 22:54, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

18 October 2017

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This account looks like a WP:DUCK and WP:SLEEPER of Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34. He did two clear disruptive edits on 21 March 2017.[131][132]. After I warned him, he became stale and now he has returned (17 October). Like Tirgil34, he targeted Tajiks and historical race concept articles for POV-pushing. For example, he removed sourced info[133],[134] because it does not matches with his racialist agenda. Then he did this.[135] It's completely similar to that long-term abuser, using Russian content and promoting outdated and unscientific racialist terms. And he just removed my warnings [136] without explaining his old and new edits. Due to his POV-pushing pattern, he may be related to another cases like Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/EMr KnG and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/EMr KnG too. Wario-Man (talk) 07:40, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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08 December 2017

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IPS are socks of long-term abuser WP:Tirgil34. The ip range was temporarly blocked by an admin but as soon as the block has been lifted, the long term abuser started socking with the same range.

  • Dra goon (talk · contribs) Added a dubious map pushing the view that haplogroups R1b and R1a (RM420) were originated in Central Asia [137][138][139][140]...The long-term abuser also created maps about haplogroups[141] and pushed the same view regarding R1b and R1a with his CU blocked socks.See the diffs on LTA page. In addition, the suspected sock is fluent in Russian[142]. Tirgil34 is also fluent in Russian[143] and often chooses Russian usernames and sources in Russian[144][145][146]. Also, the account's edits on ru.wikipedia are quite similar to edits by blocked Tirgil34 socks. The account;
  • deleted content regarding Indo-Iranian identity of Poltavka culture [147]
  • added a dubious content discrediting the mainstream IE migration theory to India [148]

(As mentioned on LTA page, the long-term abuser rejects Indo-European (Indo-Iranian) identity of Central Asian archeological cultures and rejects the mainstream IE migration theory, i.e. Kurgan theory.)

  • removed any content favouring European homeland for Finno-Ugric peoples and pushed only Siberian/Asian homeland theory [149]. See previous edits by the long-term abuser pushing the similar view regarding Finno-Ugric peoples [150][151].

Note to admins & CUs: Here is the latest CU blocked sock of the long-term abuser[152]. Also, the content of the diffs from ru.wikipedia can be checked/confirmed here. 185.43.229.22 (talk) 20:43, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23: thank you for running this. But i still think that Dra goon is sock of the same long term abuser. Because there are evidences regarding proxy socking on LTA page. 185.43.229.39 (talk) 05:22, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Dra goon is Red X Unrelated. Szombre (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) is  Confirmed and blocked without tags. The IP edits are too old. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that I've blocked Dra goon based on their behaviour (and that they were using a proxy). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:37, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

18 December 2017

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Other similarities: Like the master[157][158][159], the sock also uses unverifiable Russian sources[160][161][162] and like the master, chooses Cyrillic usernames[163][164][165]. Moreover, as an user clarified here[166] the account, suspiciously, tries to show a theory of origin as merely a theory of ethnonym and used the word "while" here[167], as if the two sentences contradict with each other-they are quite in the same direction with previous CU blocked socks' disruptive edits, please see the LTA page.

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Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:12, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

13 March 2018

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The behavior and edit pattern of the scok1 (Gioferri) is very similar to Tirgil34. Added his original research to Massagetae and creating an Altaic background.[169] When I reverted his edit, he did not say anything and just restored his edit.[170] Created a WP:OR article Sagetae and again promoting his made-up theory (Proto-Altaic). Then edited Sabines (an Italic tribe) and tried to connect them to his new article.[171] Like Tirgil34 his favorite targeted articles are Scythian and Indo-European topics. Another similarity is this guy disguised as an Italian user while inserting Turkic pov stuff. This is a method which Tirgil34 always uses it, e.g. disguising as German, British, Indian, and others. To summarize this new user's edits: If look at Massagetae and Sagetae, you will see how he mixed his pov with some misrepresented sources. As usual, he tried to connect non-Turkic peoples to Turkic. Creating a new article and then he started his quest. Wario-Man (talk) 06:35, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Red X Unrelated. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

24 November 2018

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Key diffs:

For clerks and administrators unfamiliar with this case, it should be noted that Tirgil34 is a fanatic propagandist for Turanist and Pan-Turkist pseudo-scholarship, which he has deceptively promoted on Wikipedia for many years through dozens (probably hundreds) of sockpuppets. Generally, this ideology, with support from the Turkish and other post-Soviet authorities at the highest level, uses falsified historical, linguistic, genetic and archaeological data to make fantastic claims that Scythians, Saka, Alans, Huns, Alans, Goths, Burgundians, Saxons, Alemanni, Angles, Lombards, Medes, Parthians, Hittites, Etruscans, Minoans and Sumerians were of Turkic origin, and that the Indo-European languages, Ancient Greek and Old Norse are derived from Turkic languages.[193][194][195][196] This propaganda is closely related to Armenian Genocide denial and far-right politics.[197] To promote this agenda, Tirgil34 among other things runs the Youtube-channel IdelUralState (with 30,000 loyal subscribers) and is the man behind the user Kipchak Hakan at the "racialist" forum The Apricity. This is shown at detail at WP:Tirgil34. His chief source of information is the blog TurkicWorld (blacklisted on Wikipedia), which has become something of a Turanist bible and is run by a man who has an account on Wikipedia under the name Barefact, with thousands of edits. As Tirgil34's Youtube and The Apricity accounts are still very active, there can be no doubt that he is still spreading his theories on Wikipedia. Evidence provided below will show that he is more active than ever:

  • See the deleted article Turushka by Agaceri. Alx bio has created the article Turk Shahi, which was mentioned by Agaceri four years ago at the Turushka article.

There should be enough evidence here to warrant numerous blocks and tags as per WP:DUCK. However, investigations of Tirgil34 have the habit of revealing huge sockfarms,[270][271][272] so the suspected accounts should be subjected to a thorough CheckUser by someone experienced with the tool so that additional socks can be revealed. Krakkos (talk) 00:39, 24 November 2018 (UTC) Krakkos (talk) 00:39, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm sorry if i insulted you, Bbb23. My intention was simply to request that the most skilled user of the CheckUser tool be put to the task. This was based on the gravity of Tirgil34's activities, not on any supposed lack of experience among CheckUsers like yourself. There is no obsession. I have not filed an SPI on Tirgil34 in many years. The IP who has been filing SPI's on Tirgil34 recently is not mine. Berean Hunter understandably thought it was, but this is not the case. Some of the filings by that IP have been far-fetched. This filing however was not far-fetched at all. There is conclusive behavioral evidence beyond doubt that Erminwin,[273][274] पाटलिपुत्र[275][276] and Alx bio[277][278] are socks of Tirgil34.[279][280][281] The lack of an IP match only deprives us of extra evidence. It is the behavioral evidence which is the most important thing. It would be very unfortunate if the interpretation of a poorly phrased request by me as an insult would cause the most important aspect of this important investigation to be overlooked. Krakkos (talk) 02:48, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have a relationship with the users named here. I do recognize पाटलिपुत्र from his/her many scholarly contributions to Iranian Hun articles. I do support all efforts to remove propaganda from wikipedia, and historical articles are of course very susceptible to it. Krakkos, I do not see the rationale behind the behavioral patterns you mention as suspect. It is not surprising that contributors doing research on similar topics overlap significantly in the articles they edit. Indeed this synergy enriches the articles. I myself was not aware of the ideologies and propaganda efforts you mention, so I am glad you did. Perhaps it would be productive to reference these in the talk pages of the relevant articles so that readers become aware and vigilant of these perspectives and potential biases. alx_bio 03:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Denials like these are worthless.[282][283][284][285] Suspicion against you is not just based upon the fact that you edit the same topics, but that your edits at Toramana,[286][287] Mihirakula,[288][289] and Kabul Shahi[290][291] are basically identical. Your attempt at reducing the accusations to simply being about editing the same topics is a typical Tirgil34 trick.[292][293] Krakkos (talk) 14:08, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The filer is obsessed with this master. I quickly checked several of the accounts, and none of them is editing from the same country as each other or as Tirgil34. And, Krakkos, in the future do not make insulting requests like "the suspected accounts should be subjected to a thorough CheckUser by someone experienced with the tool so that additional socks can be revealed." Closing with no further action.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:39, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

29 March 2019

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Both are blocked sock accounts of Tirgil34 on Wikimedia Commons [294][295] but they're not blocked on EN WP. Wario-Man (talk) 06:03, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@DoRD: I know they're inactive/sleeper and they're not suspected sockpuppets but obvious socks and one of them is WP:DUCK. Please see his LTA case. He will reactivate them as usual. When they're blocked on Wikimedia Commons, why do you want to keep them unblocked here?! --Wario-Man (talk) 18:25, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wario-Man, feel free to ask a steward to lock them at m:SRG. —DoRD (talk)​ 18:40, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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12 May 2019

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User:AutosomalDrafter

The map uploaded by suspected sock AutosomalDrafter is based on a recently uploaded YouTube video by LTA [301]. See for example this passage from the video description:

"West_Siberian_HG individuals are associated with artifacts of the Corded Ware, Srubnaya, Petrovka, Sintashta and Andronovo complexes"

and compare it with the map uploaded a few days after by a brandnew account AutosomalDrafter [302] Even the same sources (Naramsimhan et al, etc.) were used as references.

Non-IE Okunevo culture that had Mongoloid features is represented as "Aryans" by the LTA on both his accounts on anthrofora and Youtube [303]. And the suspected sock associated the same archeological culture, Okunevo, with IE-linked haplogroup R1b [304]

Overall edits by suspected sock AutosomalDrafter identical to banned socks of the LTA (Dragoon, Ragdeenorc, SibirHusky...) obsessing with genetics, PIE archaelogical cultures... and pushing the same POV. BTW see his currently banned sock SibirHusky.

User:Sholzhenitzyn

Reincarnation of previous Tirgil34 socks obsessing with linking R1 to Turkic-speaking areas. Similar maps were uploaded/used by many Tirgil34 socks before. See for example newest sock's revision [305] and compare them with uploads by yet another WP:DUCK [306]

IP sock 46.114.36.69

Obvious WP:DUCK from the same geolocation (see LTA page on en.wikipedia[307]). The ip sock restored edits by CU-blocked Tirgil34 sock Hirabutor.[308][309][310]

User:TitansOfAzeroth

Seems quite experienced for a new user and identical edits on the same pet articles of the LTA (Bashkirs, Kyrgzy...) See banned socks on LTA page (Әхмәт улы,...)

User:Sibujporg

Yet another WP:DUCK. See their edits on Kurgan [311] and compare them with the edits by CU-blocked Tirgil34 sock Ragdeenorc [312]. The same POV-pushing on the same article regarding etymology of kurgan.

User:Persian Lad

Persian Lad is a sock editing external links/further readings sections (instead of the targeted articles themselves) to avoid scrutiny. Plus, he, probably, aims that his pov would be added to the targeted articles by other editors reading external links/further reading sections.

Persian Lad added this[313] [314] to Indo-Iranian languages. It is not a reading paper but something like a dissertation proposal from an university from Germany [315]. It is not linked anywhere on the Internet, except for Deutscher Akademischer Austauschdients and thus, it is pretty unlikely for one to find this pdf, unless he/she has a contact with Germany and linguistics. Plus, he has an account on de.wikipedia [316]. The long-term abuser's main location is Germany, see the LTA page.

Removing links regarding Iranian migrations based on widely-accepted Kurgan hypothesis [317], adding links proposing opposing views [318] [319] and bolding the links to lionise [320]

Removing external link regarding Turkification of Azeris[321]

Removing content regarding Persian elements in Turko-Iranian[322]

Like the LTA, using/adding fringe papers by little-known authors from Russia[323][324]

To compare previous Tirgil34 edits on the topics (Kurgan, linguistics, Turkic people in Iran, etc.) and his sock tricks (such as WP:ACTING), please see the LTA page.

User:Üzgäreş

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Kangju: Proposing Turkic origin for Kangju and rejecting Iranian/Indo-European origin

Üzgareş [326][327][328] and previous Tirgil34 socks[329][330]

Trying to remove sections regarding Mongoloid appearence of early Turkic people [331]. For relevant info, see the 05 September 2012 SPI case [332]

Üzgareş is editing articles on Tatar, Turkic peoples, and ancient Central Asian Indo-European peoples (like Kangju). The same topic area with Tirgil34 and Tirgil34 represented himself from Kazan (capital of Tatarstan) [333] and he was fluent in Russian (see his other CU blocked socks).

Note to reviewing CUs: Long-term abuser frequently uses proxies to escape technical detection, as mentioned on SPI cases and on LTA page. Thus, additional proxy-check is also needed. Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:25, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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1) Florian Blaschke, do not distort, I did not reject the theory of Iranic-speaking Kangju, but added an indication of the existence opinion about uncertain and theory about the Turkic-speaking Kangju. In the discussion, I proposed to remove duplicate links to the same source under the same statement. But if it had been done this would have been a completely adequate editing, and not a “denial” of the theory of Iranic-language of Kangju. In this part edits (mine and not mine) are remotely similar. I think that the fact that most of the literature on archeology and anthropologists of Kangyu, on the toponymy of Kazakhstan and big part of the linguistics of many non-Indo-European languages of the Eurasia Center (Ket, Turkic, Mongolian, Samoyedic, etc.) is presented in Russian and not translated in English. So, the range of opinions on this issue is some wider here. Therefore, yes - from Russian-speaking participants edits indicating the presence of different points of view can be expected more likely (although the English texts are familiar with the opinion I have indicated, and I gave a link, but someone deleted it).

2) My edit here is of the opposite nature. Amateurish research on the attribution of racial traits to the linguistic/cultural community, I suggested to remove or, at least, transfer. For those who are confident that we can definitely talk about the "racial type of speakers" of the early medieval language that existed in the territory where several races and racial branches are represented (and was presented), I proposed to create a separate section on this topic. The “history” section is definitely not a place for physical anthropology.

3) I didn`t edit articles related to Central Asia, except for this. I was edit it only because it accidentally discovered the presence of incorrect links.

4) Seriously? I am Russian-speaking and edit articles related to the Tatar language and culture, and Tirgil is from Kazan - this make you suspicious that we are one person? Do you suppose that I am from Kazan only on the basis of the fact that I am editing articles related to the Tatars? Even if I were from Kazan (this is not so) - ~ 1,200,000 people who speak Russian live in Kazan... Üzgäreş (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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25 October 2019

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See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 13:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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These socks are  Confirmed to each other and on a IP address very close to what TitansOfAzeroth used:

 Possible to  Likely

For some of the edits at other projects that tie some of these accounts with little or no edits here to Tirgil34:

 Blocked and tagged but these accounts should be globally locked since he abuses cross wiki.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 13:26, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

04 June 2020

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See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 12:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed

 Blocked and tagged.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 12:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

17 June 2020

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This SPI request is based on the behavior of the reported account because both accounts may be WP:MEATPUPPET or use different devices.

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@Wario-Man: I have re-opened it, but remain not totally convinced at this time. I may take a look at it again in the future. --TheSandDoctor Talk 05:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

01 June 2021

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46.114.157.100 and 91.56.34.235 belong to IP ranges frequently used by Tirgil34, and both IPs make edits on Turkic etymology, which is a primary target of Tirgil34. 91.56.34.235 made an edit at Wusun promoting a Turkic etymology of the word böri.[347] The day before, Flaneuresse made an edit at Ashina tribe promoting a Turkic etymology of böri.[348] In that edit, Flaneuresse makes an interwiki link to Wiktionary in the same style as 46.114.157.100.[349] Making such interwiki links is typical of Tirgil34.[350] In the previously mentioned edit promoting a Turkic etymology of böri, Flaneuresse cites the website nisanyansozluk.com/, which a website frequently cited by Tirgil34 for promoting Turkic etymologies.[351][352][353][354][355] Krakkos (talk) 11:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Magic Finn is a possible WP:SPASOCK who makes edits promoting a connection between Sumerian and Turkic etymologies.[356] Connection between Sumerian and Turkic etymology has previously been promoted by Tirgil34 sock Hirabutor.[357] Krakkos (talk) 08:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 Unlikely:
Flaneuresse (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Magic Finn is in the same country as the master, but the IP information I could pull from the stale master is very old. Flaneuresse is in a completely different country. Different user agents. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 04:02, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

14 January 2022

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Came across this one a while ago, edit warring on the Frood Fouladvand article. Going off about how apparently just about every tribe in the middle east is Turkic or something. They were indef blocked at the time. I came across the LTA page and realised that the behavioural described seemed a fairly good match. Can someone with more experience with Tirgil34 take a look and second this report if it matches the behaviour? Reporting to put it on record. Mako001 (C)  (T)  16:41, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Spicy: My apologies. To clarify, it isn't considered worthwhile, even where the account may provide additional info for CUs? Sorry again if I'm misunderstanding something, which is very much a possibility. Mako001 (C)  (T)  13:42, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the advice, thinking back I fully agree with you assessment of this, thanks again and cheerio. Mako001 (C)  (T)  15:06, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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