Leveraged ETF Effect On Big Move Days
Leveraged ETF Effect On Big Move Days
Leveraged ETF Effect On Big Move Days
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Ernest Chan
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39 COMMENTS:
GekkoQuant said...
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Hi,
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Hi GekkoQuant,
Very interesting thought ... do you
have an example ticker for this type of
funds?
Ernie
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GekkoQuant said...
https://ecommerce.barcap.com
/indices/action/indexDownload?id=-
385897bc8117656498aa61c2196331c5
&pageId=1
FRIDAY , O C T O BE R 2 6, 20 1 2
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Hi,
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my take on it:
http://www.quantifiedstrategies.com
/how-to-trade-momentum-in-spy-
during-the-last-hour/
S AT URD AY , O C T OB E R 2 7,
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Thanks, Gekkoquant.
My only reservation is that these
quant ETFs may not have large
enough NAV to generate momentum.
Ernie
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x777 said...
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x777,
You can read my book Quantitative
Trading as a start!
Ernie
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x777 said...
Anonymous said...
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S UN D AY , O C T OB E R 2 8, 20 1 2
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@Anon,
I calculated >100% based on Table 13.
It stated there that the average daily
return for Price-20 strategy is 0.0048,
which translates to 121% annualized.
Ernie
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Anonymous said...
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Anon,
You are right.
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Anonymous said...
Hank
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Hank,
Good point - thanks!
Ernie
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Anonymous said...
Anon,
Actually, academics typically only
publish strategies that are already
well-known among institutional
traders. So I would say that is of net
benefit to retail traders. Our job as
traders is to find variations of these
strategies that are still profitable.
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Ernie
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Sam said...
Sam,
Earnings.com offer dividend data.
csidata.com and Kibot.com offers
reasonably priced split/dividend-
adjusted historical data.
Your broker should provide you with
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Unknown said...
hi:
thanks for the post and high quality
website. Sorry if I missed something
obvious, but is one supposed to buy
the non-leveraged index when it
moves 2% or the leveraged one [I
assume when the unleveraged index
moves 2%]?
thanks,
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@Unknown:
Yes, the 2% is the move for the
unlevered index.
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Ernie
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Unknown said...
x777 said...
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Hi x777,
You can read any of Larry Connors'
books on my Recommended List.
Ernie
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Anonymous said...
Hi Ernie,
Mike
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Hi Mike,
I have limited experience trading stock
options on IB.
Would you be able to use limit orders?
If not, you will have to observe the
average bid-ask spreads of those
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options.
Ernie
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David said...
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T UE SD AY , N O VE M BE R 2 0 ,
2 0 1 2 AT 1 :3 9:0 0 P M ES T
David,
The base strategies this and other
trading forums discuss are well-known
to both professional traders and
academic researchers alike. The truly
creative and proprietary part is the
details of implementation and the
variations of the basic scheme.
Anonymous said...
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David,
Anonymous said...
Hi Ernie,
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Thanks.
Hi Anon,
The typical fee structure is 2% of NAV
+ 20% of profits.
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Clive said...
Clive,
Besides tracking error, we are also
concerned with the fact that 3x
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Hi,
I find all your comments extremely
fascinating so thank you for
participating. My question is regarding
long term versus short investing in 3X
leveraged etfs such as the UDOW. I get
the math regarding compounding but
if I held the UDOW from inception my
return to date would be enormous.
Could it be that one must either be a
short term buyer or a very very long
term investor with long only products?
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Hi Aaron,
Just because the long term growth
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Ernie,
Do you have additional Algo ETF
strategies I can try out? Also, is there
an updated version of this strategy as
well? I am reading both your books
and working on setting up ETF algos
and want to backtest what you have so
far as a starting/jumping off point.
Thanks
Doug
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Ernie,
Do you have an updated version of
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Doug
dougpegram@hotmail.com
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Douglas,
You can obviously try the same
strategy on many different ETFs and
different entry thresholds and times.
Ernie
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