LM Notes
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Reading the Law by Peter Goodrich (Blackwell, Oxford 1986) pp. 3-13:
Rather than defining law, legal research is now more interested in:
1) traditionally established texts and,
2) similarly established practices for the interpretation of these texts
Law is different from other social phenomena as in what law does that the
religion does not.
No categorization is absolute.
Law has played various roles eg. Social, economic etc, but it has remained its
distinct. Law plays these roles, but it is not just these, it is something different
from these mere roles.
Institutional sources tell us whether something is a law or not, but the ideational
sources tells us whether we want an idea that inspires the said “law” or we have
moved away from the basic core aspects of that particular idea.
1. Variable in content- that the source of law can change from time to time
2. Constant in its form- that one will always find a source of law, it has
always been there.
And these (1 and 2) make it a distinct from other social phenomena.
The constancy of the source is there, but the variability of the source has also been
there.
The implicit sources are not openly referred to, i.e. to talk about these:
1. Parliament- explicit
2. Will of the people- implicit.
So, the ideation behind the institution is not referred or preferred as much as the
legal tradition does so to the latter. We no longer refer /evoke the concepts
expressly. The significance of this is: that ideation is more complex and nuanced.
Thus it can be said, to facilitate day-to-day functioning/ conversations.
Therefore, the ideation is more open to debate and thought than the institution
that the particular idea intends to create.
That is why the explanations in terms of ideas are “increasingly infrequently
utilized” as the explicit sources of law.
In everyday usage, we presume the ideational sources of law when we talk about
the institutional source.. It is a distinction between the implicit and the express.
Ending of the reading: ”rather than defining law”, and we stated by defining the
law.
We only refer to the ideas when the institutions established by these run into the
disputed waters.
How divergence between the laws and facts causes in the domain of humans and
science?
I you call something to be a law, then, facts must be in consonance, and if it is not,
then, the law is changed. The case is not the same in case of humans. In science,
you cannot change the facts, but in human laws, we can change the pattern of
human conduct. In the idea of the human law, a certain non-negotiability enters
into the law. The moment you call something a law, you put into it the concept of
obedience or compliance. The only merit of his comparison is that when you use
the term law, there is a minuteness of inevitability in it.
Law and Economics (how much should be enforced and how much should be
observed)
1. Full compliance- not just an economic disadvantage, but also has a
rights-based dimension of questions regarding freedom and liberty
associated with. We don’t have any choice.
2. Optimal compliance- to solve the issue, it has to be a universal kind of a
thing- and not a whimsical basis on which some people suffer and others
do not.
Example: Comparative analysis of the RTI and the RTE: In this case, RTE is
principled, no doubt: but as to the checkerboard involved in the RTI, it can be
argued with enough logic that the exemptions involved in the reach of RTIA2005
are brought in, eg. Defence and internal functioning of the judiciary—which are
in purview of the Article 19 (2) of the constitution, eg. Security of the state,
public order etc. are principled enough to be not to called arbitrary or in other
words a checkerboard.
Appreciating the distinction between, checkerboard and universality/generality
is to come to the yardstick of “principle” involved in the question. If it is there,
then, it’s the universal, but it’s checkerboard if it’s unprincipled.
Neil Bohr, a quantum physicist once said-“It is not necessary that the opposite of
truth should be falsehood.” So, if you deal with a two-truth situation, then ho to go
about it. This statement captures the essence of appreciating a very valuable
facet of legal study.
Implications of the above stated ways of thinking about law and punishment
1. Legality Principle;
2. Opportunity Principle.
- Laws must be universal and general
Positivism (lit.) means that you posit something and prove the same.
Empirical evidence: The evidence we collect in the field i.e. 1) tangible and 2)
verifiable.
Difference between: Positivism and Natural Law: Positivism stresses the entire
systematic course of validating and verifying only to the extent of the
institutional source of law. Whereas, in natural law, even according to positivist
thinking something can be a law, in natural law, it might not be a law by its virtue
of not being in accord with certain values and principles, eg. Fairness, morality
and justice—it will NOT be called a law. Thus, natural law, principles have
evolved and changed over different periods of time in history.
Positivists are he “is” people, whereas the natural lawyers are the “ought to be”
people.
“The Basic Structure is not within the constitution, but something that informs
the constitution.
The pure division/ separation of powers within the different domains of the
government (legislature, executive and judiciary)
Legislature also adjudicates—by administering its own rules as to its
contempt, brach of privelege.
Executive also makes laws—most of the bills introduced are government/
minister’s bills.
Judiciary also makes laws—by writing judgeemnts, case laws, for
example—the guidelines laid down in Vishakha.
Should constitution be seen in the present context, or as having its roots in the
past? Present? Who amends? Only the legislature? Or even the judiciary.
Positivists do not care about values in the law—the absence of values doesn’t
invalidate, but its presence is also immaterial. Thus, they only look
shortsightedly—only till the institution.
1.) Law as a command (Austin)—What you shall do and what you shall not
allowed to do? That is, prohibitions and permissions. What does this
definition captures and what does it misses out on? This definition fails to
capture the intricacies like adjudication—what is it that I am required to
do? This adjudication Is not the substantive part of the “command” but a
tool to enforce the substantive part. For a sanction to be imposed, there is
a need to prove that the breach of the command took place. Thus, this
definition is very watertight and narrow, as it does not include the
implementation and determination part of the facts of the case. In the
next point, you’ll understand how point 1 is a primary law, and how and
why do we need a secondary rule to put into action the primary rule.
Another drawback is that it does not include the way we change the law,
i.e. Rules of Change. If we had only this system, then how did this become
functional in its nature, another limitation of this definition, it fails to
justify the “Rule of Recognition,” i.e. whether or not this is a legally valid
rule—justifying this through its source. Command by putting gun on your
head: “Give me the money.” –Do I have an obligation or I’m obliged to do
this. Paying tax is an obligation, and you are obliged by the law of physical
force—, but is NOT a command of law. This is a very popular and
dominant notion of what law is? This definition is NOT irrelevant but
incomplete.
2.) Primary and Secondary Rules—(H.L.A. Hart) Primary laws provide an
incomplete understanding of the laws. He says that Austin failed to
capture the “secondary rules.” Force can come from various sources—but
that does not account for it to be legal. In some laws, one may be both,
obligated and obliged to obey the law. Hart told that point 1 definition is
incomplete.
3.) Rules, Principles standards—Riggs versus Palmer (In civil law, it was not
assumed that a heir would go and kill his/her ancestor to get the will
executed. Using this Dworkin highlights the distinction between rules and
principles—that no person can be allowed to take advantage of the wrong
committed by him—is the person coming to the court without clean
hands—sometimes there occurs a conflict between the rules and principles)
So, when here, there was no law, you went back to the principles (of basic
human existence) to deal with a situation regarding which no law exists.
Principles are more open-texted, whereas rules are much more specific. If
your legal architecture would consist only of the rules—with specific
bounds, you realize with Riggs (it hurts all our consciences—that just
because there’s no rule to it, it should be done) what do you miss on.
Rules are non-negotiable sort of directions. Dworkin moves a step ahead
of Hart insofar as moving beyond the scope of rules—he includes
standards, principles, and policies as well.
Distinction between a rule and a principle—read pg. 24 top 2 pts.
Distinction between a rule and a standard
Read: Riggs versus Palmer (Using this Dworkin highlights the distinction between
rules and principles—that no person can be allowed to take advantage of the
wrong committed by him; Had principle not been invoked in the case, then, the
sanctitiy of life, and “will not kill” and the kind of domino effect it will have on the
society—and how the social contract is breached—which is at the bedrock of what
a “law” is. There is logic behind the principle—which is a “deeper” thing—which
goes against the positivist stance of all law is enacted law. We operate it as a “rule
of law” society.)
If the “rule of law” is only about the rules, then what is it that we are
permitting?
Here we talk about what the judge should do, how the society views
adjudication, not the lawyer for the murderer heir would do?
Analogy between sole heir murderer case and “R” policy of NALSAR regarding
submission of projects—“coming with clean hands.”
Text of the rule is not the only factor—the judge will look into the principle
behind it to interpret the said rule. The content of the standard is often rule-
based, i.e. you do this and that, and comply with these requirements—you will be
awarded BIS mark.
Differentiate between principle and standard: Principle can kick into any
situation, but a standard is placed into a particular rule. Principles are stand-
alone concepts…and standards evolve throughout the history of adjudication.
Whereas, a principle in itself, always exists there in the system, it has a temporal
and spacial universality component involved which cannot change overnight.
You more and more advise being given to you.
The most important thing one should return to after reading the text n parts is:
YOU MUST HAVE A LAW.
Starts with a fable-writing by Fuller
In “How not to make laws?” Fuller talks about certain pit falls to be avoided
while making a “good law. ” But in terms of making a good law, he says that
merely guarding against these pit falls will not result into a good law. The
morality of duty and morality of aspiration aspects are crucial to this.
The first problem committed by Rex: To repeal the existing laws—to start on
a clean slate. Thereon, Fuller argues how even a bad law is better than no law. Go
back to Dworkin’s stress on the need to have principles and standards apart
from rules.
The most important thing about making laws is to make a law, any kind
whatsoever, i.e. to do away with lawlessness. In case of absence of law, the
people won’t be able to ‘conform’ to it. If there will be no rules, there would be a
license for “arbitrariness in adjudication.”
Rules
Seeing the
Existenceof Not
Publication Understandable possible/ Prospectivity
rules contradictory
impossible
When he says that there are exceptions to queue behavior, he wants to stress
that in the absence of rules, there is not just construction of rules, but also come
up with exceptions to the “norm.” Example: Crossing the road as a pedestrian as
well as motorists—the very process through which implementation of rules
occurs. People have their own interpretation of such rules, which will further
lead to evolution of these rules. Example: Norms of ragging amongst
batches—wherein every batch decides on the dynamics of ragging.
At the very core level, we are trying to understand how people have the genius
capacity and anticipatory behavior.
Eg. Distinction between the formal and the informalScindias and Nawab of
Pataudis—their status in their areas goes against the democratic spirit and
rejection of monarchy in India.
THE LEADING QUESTION:
What kind of informal system of rules (eg. inclusion of categories) is required to
work in consonance with the formal system of rules (eg. reservation)?
This school of thought will usher in a critical temper in the reader towards all
other schools.
The schools we’ve gone through as of now, dealt majorly with “what’s in the
book.” What realism asks to do is that you can’t just ask –“what’s in the book, but
what’s there in the book.”
In Mac Cormick, you saw, through practice, people can create law, here, we
would focus on “law in action.” Since, it deals with more with the action part,
therefore, it tends to shift from legislature to the judiciary. In Realism, law is
much more logical, pragmatic and practical than other schools have to say about
the law.
Good people don’t follow the law only because the law requires them to do—but
for their own satisfaction—from ethics, soul, sprit, morality and the sense of
justice. Whereas, the bad man will do what the law requires to do.
You need to look at what the courts actually know. Legality of court is based on
the premise that the people will go to the court.
The realists say that the way laws are implemented is the only law—rest is all
morality. While, he wants morality to be thrown out of the law but he also wants
sciences, social mores and economics to enter the law—that would make for a
more coherent body of laws.
The purpose of this reading was to shift from understanding what judges say they
do to the point of knowing what judges do with what they say.
The first thing they said was that the laws aren’t being governed by the
mechanical robots—but by human beings.
In effect, when the entire thing is a biased game, it is about
They say the objectivity is the myth of positivists. It is a kind of story. Realists say
that it’s not just the law, but it is the people who frame the laws, implement the
law, and interpret the law and on the other hand, observe and obey the laws, and
that is what realists say is also a very important aspect of the study of laws.
What realists say is that even if we have objective phenomenon, we still have to
bear with the subjective interpretation of these objective aspects. A law is a law
because of the fact it is happening, not the other side—that is, happening
because it is a law. The reality makes the law, law doesn’t makes the reality.
You can’t just read the law by reading the law book, you also have to engage in
other process vis-à-vis how people behave in consideration of law.
When you say “I am a realist” and when you say that “I look upon you as a
realist”? The moment I say I am a realist, I do acknowledge that I do have a bias-
in a reflective manner—I say that I put myself also on observation.
We must tell judges, legislators, and people including ourselves that we have
biases.
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Distinction between the precept and the practice in the light of positivism
versus realism:
Rationalization: You have done the act, and thereafter you try to reason it and
thereby justify it. It is a post-facto justification offered.
So, in essence, what realists are aiming to do—is to call for a much more
responsible decision-making. For instance, when you say no to a request for a
favor, there can be two ways:
1) As per the rules, you cannot do;
2) As per the rules, and so and so reasons,, you cannot do.
In the second one, the recipient of the decision making, seems convinced
regarding the “responsibility” undertaken and portrayed by the decision-
maker—wherein a probable and possible opportunity of counter argumentation
is also provided which adds to the legitimacy of the decisions taken.
In your lived reality, the rule will come to your rescue regardless of the fact
situation, nobody takes note of a practice insofar as the enforcing agency is
concerned.
Margaret Davies
Paragraph-wise analysis
1) Men have made the legal world: Men have written the law and theories
about the law…Austin’s jurisprudence is dominated by men. Because it is
men writing and theorizing, that is why the laws will be patriarchal.
Further, law has been particularly made by educated white men.
2) Law reflects male values: Cultural influence as to inherently male values
vis-à-vis reasonableness, objectivity, independence, autonomy and
neutrality and so on. In Tort Law, does changing the terminology alone
from ‘reasonable man’ to ‘reasonable person’ suffice the demands of
feminist legal perspective? Reasonableness is essentially a middle path of
sorts, not at all of being most punctilious. Are the requirements of
reasonability exactly the same you expect from both men and women? Or,
is it gender-neutral? Constitution Article 15, how the word “only” has been
read into practice—how sex plus discrimination has been declared
permissible under the law. J S Mill’s dedication of his book ‘On Liberty’ to
his wife-do read it. We deal with generalizations, and merely give a
mention to ‘exceptions.’ Here, we should appreciate that how we can have
a theory that applies or makes invisible differently to different people on
the basis of their race, sexual orientation and so on. If society is saying
one thing, and law is saying another thing, then you have a tool in your
hand. If we se what happens at the workplace, take for instance maternity
benefits—men are not provided (if yes, much less) this portrays the
assumption that someone else is/will be there to carry out the said duties.
And, so women came to a gendered workplace. The words are gender-
neutral, but the context is not such. The debate around ‘text’ vs. ‘context’
analysis of feminism vis-à-vis positivism and realism. It doesn’t matters
what the text is, but more so, who reads the text, and from what particular
standpoint?
3) Generalization of male perspectives and their universal application:
It is basically, how ‘different’ and divergent people view themselves as
going contrary to the law. How feminism became ‘feminisms’ as in an
inter-disciplinary. The literary tool of alliteration being put to use when
the author talks about “mainstream malestream.”
Smart says that—the law was made feminist because of feminist activists and
leaders, but what she does by quoting Denning is to show how he calls the new
system of laws to be doing everything itself, i.e. Law made itself feminist. If you
want to recognize that this kind of change was brought due to feminist
movements, then it creates trouble. If you say that only the law did it, then we
disregard the other sources and informal processes involved in law-making, esp.
the factors making possible for a law to come in existence. If we see this as only a
law-prompted exercise, then the understanding will come only from the law
itself, whereas if we see the context, then the chances of reading the law in a
more situation-specific way are more. Smart says that it is not just important for
the law to change, but the underpinings of the law to change. So, Smart refers to
law vis-à-vis feminism ignores the efforts put in by feminists prior to the coming
into force of that law. Denning appropriating the entire effort of the law is like
the law turning a blind eye to the factors that made a ground for change into the
law—if you have to interpret a legal text, when you believe that the entire
process of making a legal text is law itself—then a whole range of specific
characteristics of the law shall be left in the process. The soundproof rule of legal
interpretation under the British says that no extrinsic aids should be used to
interpret the statute, that is, those which come from outside the law—for
example parliamentary debates let alone movements to get it enacted. This
system of recognizing how law moulds itself will have long-term systemic
consequences.
FACT: Between positivism and natural law, there is morality that strikes a
balance.
Lastly in the text, Smart says how Denning has accorded a legal status to
something that definitely cannot be considered a law. You pretend it to be a
reality—though it might not be reality. Anything that happens in law, the legal
fraternity appropriates the credit it ought not do, because
The horrible thing is that they don’t just limit it to legal things.